[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Tue Mar 25 02:31:28 GMT 2014

Craig,

Thanks for that.

For what it is worth, I have added my comments to your message.

Regards,

Andrew J. Trim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Craig Weatherhill 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:53 PM 
To: spellyans at kernowek.net 
Subject: [Spellyans] SWF review results. 

I managed to get these today.  Many items are "no change", so I've singled out those in which a change was decided upon.  *** So there is no change to the <i>/<y> distribution, and no change to the ambiguous <u> problem *** The below is given in SWF/M for convenience, but the status of Traditional graphs remain unaltered. *** Effectively dead ***

DOUBLE CONSONANT SPELLINGS.
1.  Introduce <ll> and <rr> in roots.  *** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. *** Do not revert to single letter in unstressed non-final syllables where that changes the root. *** This makes Cornish easier to learn but it results in many double consonants that were not in the traditional language. *** 
2.  Introduce <ll> for <dell>, <-ell> for the suffix which implies 'tool' or 'device', e.g., dewynnell, draylell, gwariell, hornell, karrigell, musurell, pibell, rostell, skitell, skubell, skwychell, tempredhell, torgentrell, yeynell. *** I do not agree with this! ***

SHORT <o> and <u>
1. Change to <o> in <arlodh>, in line with <toll>, <tomm>, <boka>, <bronn>, <koska> *** This is OK. ***

<GH> and <H>
1. <gh> everywhere except word-initially.*** This is OK but I prefer <h> everywhere except word-finally. ***

PARTICLE <th> in SWF/L
1. Join particle with verb as in <thera>, without a gap. *** This is OK. ***

PARTICLE (ow>- RLC VARIANT <o>
1. Retain <o> (present participle), but drop the apostrophe.*** This would be confusing. <o> means “was” so the apostrophe is needed. ***

<NOWYTH>
1. To be respelt <nowydh> (M), or <nowedh>. *** This makes sense but I would prefer all such words to end -th (as in the traditional language) rather than -dh. ***

HYPHENS
1.  Remove hyphens from numbers, particles and some other words, e.g. <ebost>. *** This may cause confusion. ***
2.  Add hyphens in loose compounds of the form 'noun + verbal noun', e.g. <jynn-skrifa>, <skath-wolya>, etc. *** This is OK. ***
3.  <poslev/poslevow> to replace <poos-lev/poos-levow>. *** This is OK. ***
4.  <erbynn> to replace <er-bynn>. *** This is OK. ***
(but personal use to remain optional).

VOWEL LENGTH IN MONOSYLLABIC LOAN WORDS ENDING -p OR -t.
1.  To be written as <pp>, <tt> if they contain a short vowel. *** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. However, I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. It is easier to just learn which words have unexpectedly-long vowels. ***
2.  Accept both permissible plural endings, e.g. <hattys/hattow> *** This is OK. ***

DHYWORTH/DYWORTH
1.  Accept <dhyworth> and <dyworth> as alternatives, and <dhort> and <dort> in RLC variants. *** This is OK. ***

A/OA ALTERNATION
1.  Remove RLC variants <toal>, <kloav>, <gwoav>, <gwloan>, spelling them only with -a-. *** This is OK. ***
2.  Add <boas>, <doas>, <moas> in RLC variants to the remaining <broas>. *** This is OK. ***

<OO> for KK <OE>
1.  <goolan> to become <golan>.  Otherwise, no change. *** This is OK. ***

<kk> AND <ck>
1.  <ck> to be used in all borrowings; <kk> in all other cases, including those in doubt. *** I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. I would prefer <ck> everywhere. ***
2.  <okkupya> to be respelt <okupya>. *** This is OK. ***

APOSTROPHES IN RLC VARIANTS
1.  Retain before nouns like <'manyn>. *** I would remove this one too. ***
2.  Do not use elsewhere where the beginning of a word has been shed, e.g. <skydnya> from <dyskynna>. *** This is OK. ***
3.  Do not use internally, e.g. <metern> from <myghtern> and <mos> from <mowes>. *** This is OK. ***
4.  Do not use after <kal> (KK <kalgh>). *** This is OK. ***
5.  May be used where -th, -dh is dropped, e.g. pro', for', warbar'.  To be left to the discretion of individual writers. *** I would keep the ending but make it optionally silent. ***

<eu>
1.  Add SWF/L <enkladhva>, SWF/M <ynkladhva>  (presently SWF <ynkleudhva>). *** This is OK. ***
2.  Allow <teudhi and <tedha> as alternative spellings. *** This is OK. ***
3.  Add to SWF/L <bidhi> (currently <beudhi> only); and <briji> (currently <breuji> in SWF/L). *** This is OK. ***
No change to <breusi>, <Meurth>, <feusik>. *** This is OK. ***

GWR & GR (SWF/L VARIANT)
1.  Write <gwr-> in RMC and RLC, inclusing <gwra>, <gwruthyl>. *** This is OK. ***

GEMINATION & PROVECTION IN SUPERLATIVES/SUBJUNCTIVES
1.  Retain <tth>, introduce corresponding <ggh>, <cch>, <ssh>. *** I do not agree with this! ***

WORTIWEDH, ETC.
1.  <wortiwedh/wostiwedh> and <wostalleth/wortalleth> to be single words, without apostrophes. *** This is OK. ***

1ST PERSON SINGULAR
1  RC variant <me>, <ve>, no longer required.*** This is OK for <ve> but <me> should be retained. ***

Craig

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