[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Ken MacKinnon ken at ferintosh.org
Thu Mar 27 12:28:56 GMT 2014



I have always felt that placenames are a valuable source for the revived language.  In that placenames are recorded in written documents, they are as valid an attestation as any other written source, and should feed into the principle of ‘total Corniah’.


-        An ken Ken


From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
Sent: 25 March 2014 10:54
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF review results.


The short form <bygh> does exist, though but seems largely ignored by the revival.  It occurs in several place-names.

One wonders what will happen in the SWF if current <byhan> becomes <byghan>.  What about the variant <bian>?  What happens to that?

(I remain baffled why, of those two forms, one contains <y> and the other <i>, when the vowel is exactly the same length in both, and both should, under SWF rules, contain <i>).






On 2014 Mer 25, at 10:35, Nicholas Williams wrote:

There is no justification for byghan anyway, since byghan is unattested in the texts. It occurs in PNN but toponymy is likely to maintain archaic forms. In PA beghan occurs twice. In other texts the commonest form is byan, byen. Tregear writes bean, Lhuyd bîan. The use of gh between syllables in UC was suggested by forms in PA, which was Nance's foundation text. PA writes arghans 'silver', vghelder, peghes, yrghys, nagha, fleghys, etc.


On 25 Mar 2014, at 10:17, Daniel Prohaska wrote:

This is a step back into the dark ages. Not only does intervocalic ‹gh› prompt an unlikely pronunciation, it actually prompts mispronunciation as native English speakers who learn and speak Cornish prequently subsitute [k] for aspired [x] or [ɦ] ("arkans, mikturn" etc.). I have yet to hear KK-supporters pronounce, e.g. ‹byghan› 'small, little' as recommended by Ken George as [ˈbɪˑɦan]: 


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