[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Tue Mar 25 09:03:22 GMT 2014


DIACRITICS:  Issue (27) addresses these, and the recommendation is as follows:

"NO diacritics EXCEPT in pronunciation guides, dictionaries and teaching materials if the author so wishes.  We are seeking a meeting with the Dictionary Board to ensure that such diacritics as are chosen are properly defined and used consistently."

It seems obvious to me that MAGA and the Dictionary Board should adopt the same diacritics for these purposes as those currently used by KS, if consistency is to be a serious criterion.

I regret the reversion to the medial <gh>.  To me, this is reintroducing an archaism to a language designed for the modern era.
It is obvious that certain recommendations are a shift towards KK; however, the Review turns out to be far less a shift in that direction than I feared or expected

Craig





On 2014 Mer 25, at 02:31, A. J. Trim wrote:

> Craig,
>  
> Thanks for that.
>  
> For what it is worth, I have added my comments to your message.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Andrew J. Trim
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:53 PM
> To: spellyans at kernowek.net
> Subject: [Spellyans] SWF review results.
>  
> I managed to get these today.  Many items are "no change", so I've singled out those in which a change was decided upon.  *** So there is no change to the <i>/<y> distribution, and no change to the ambiguous <u> problem *** The below is given in SWF/M for convenience, but the status of Traditional graphs remain unaltered. *** Effectively dead ***
>  
> DOUBLE CONSONANT SPELLINGS.
> 1.  Introduce <ll> and <rr> in roots.  *** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. *** Do not revert to single letter in unstressed non-final syllables where that changes the root. *** This makes Cornish easier to learn but it results in many double consonants that were not in the traditional language. *** 
> 2.  Introduce <ll> for <dell>, <-ell> for the suffix which implies 'tool' or 'device', e.g., dewynnell, draylell, gwariell, hornell, karrigell, musurell, pibell, rostell, skitell, skubell, skwychell, tempredhell, torgentrell, yeynell. *** I do not agree with this! ***
>  
> SHORT <o> and <u>
> 1. Change to <o> in <arlodh>, in line with <toll>, <tomm>, <boka>, <bronn>, <koska> *** This is OK. ***
>  
> <GH> and <H>
> 1. <gh> everywhere except word-initially.*** This is OK but I prefer <h> everywhere except word-finally. ***
>  
> PARTICLE <th> in SWF/L
> 1. Join particle with verb as in <thera>, without a gap. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> PARTICLE (ow>- RLC VARIANT <o>
> 1. Retain <o> (present participle), but drop the apostrophe.*** This would be confusing. <o> means “was” so the apostrophe is needed. ***
>  
> <NOWYTH>
> 1. To be respelt <nowydh> (M), or <nowedh>. *** This makes sense but I would prefer all such words to end -th (as in the traditional language) rather than -dh. ***
>  
> HYPHENS
> 1.  Remove hyphens from numbers, particles and some other words, e.g. <ebost>. *** This may cause confusion. ***
> 2.  Add hyphens in loose compounds of the form 'noun + verbal noun', e.g. <jynn-skrifa>, <skath-wolya>, etc. *** This is OK. ***
> 3.  <poslev/poslevow> to replace <poos-lev/poos-levow>. *** This is OK. ***
> 4.  <erbynn> to replace <er-bynn>. *** This is OK. ***
> (but personal use to remain optional).
>  
> VOWEL LENGTH IN MONOSYLLABIC LOAN WORDS ENDING -p OR -t.
> 1.  To be written as <pp>, <tt> if they contain a short vowel. *** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. However, I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. It is easier to just learn which words have unexpectedly-long vowels. ***
> 2.  Accept both permissible plural endings, e.g. <hattys/hattow> *** This is OK. ***
>  
> DHYWORTH/DYWORTH
> 1.  Accept <dhyworth> and <dyworth> as alternatives, and <dhort> and <dort> in RLC variants. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> A/OA ALTERNATION
> 1.  Remove RLC variants <toal>, <kloav>, <gwoav>, <gwloan>, spelling them only with -a-. *** This is OK. ***
> 2.  Add <boas>, <doas>, <moas> in RLC variants to the remaining <broas>. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> <OO> for KK <OE>
> 1.  <goolan> to become <golan>.  Otherwise, no change. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> <kk> AND <ck>
> 1.  <ck> to be used in all borrowings; <kk> in all other cases, including those in doubt. *** I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. I would prefer <ck> everywhere. ***
> 2.  <okkupya> to be respelt <okupya>. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> APOSTROPHES IN RLC VARIANTS
> 1.  Retain before nouns like <'manyn>. *** I would remove this one too. ***
> 2.  Do not use elsewhere where the beginning of a word has been shed, e.g. <skydnya> from <dyskynna>. *** This is OK. ***
> 3.  Do not use internally, e.g. <metern> from <myghtern> and <mos> from <mowes>. *** This is OK. ***
> 4.  Do not use after <kal> (KK <kalgh>). *** This is OK. ***
> 5.  May be used where -th, -dh is dropped, e.g. pro', for', warbar'.  To be left to the discretion of individual writers. *** I would keep the ending but make it optionally silent. ***
>  
> <eu>
> 1.  Add SWF/L <enkladhva>, SWF/M <ynkladhva>  (presently SWF <ynkleudhva>). *** This is OK. ***
> 2.  Allow <teudhi and <tedha> as alternative spellings. *** This is OK. ***
> 3.  Add to SWF/L <bidhi> (currently <beudhi> only); and <briji> (currently <breuji> in SWF/L). *** This is OK. ***
> No change to <breusi>, <Meurth>, <feusik>. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> GWR & GR (SWF/L VARIANT)
> 1.  Write <gwr-> in RMC and RLC, inclusing <gwra>, <gwruthyl>. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> GEMINATION & PROVECTION IN SUPERLATIVES/SUBJUNCTIVES
> 1.  Retain <tth>, introduce corresponding <ggh>, <cch>, <ssh>. *** I do not agree with this! ***
>  
> WORTIWEDH, ETC.
> 1.  <wortiwedh/wostiwedh> and <wostalleth/wortalleth> to be single words, without apostrophes. *** This is OK. ***
>  
> 1ST PERSON SINGULAR
> 1  RC variant <me>, <ve>, no longer required.*** This is OK for <ve> but <me> should be retained. ***
>  
>  
> Craig
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