[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Janice Lobb janicelobb at gmail.com
Tue Mar 25 11:00:11 GMT 2014


Andrew, you say that traditional graphs are effectively dead, but not so as
long as those of us that like them keep on using them!
Jan


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:31 AM, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:

>   Craig,
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> For what it is worth, I have added my comments to your message.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:53 PM
> To: spellyans at kernowek.net
> Subject: [Spellyans] SWF review results.
>
> I managed to get these today.  Many items are "no change", so I've singled
> out those in which a change was decided upon.  **** So there is no change
> to the <i>/<y> distribution, and no change to the ambiguous <u> problem ****The below is given in SWF/M for convenience, but the status of Traditional
> graphs remain unaltered. **** Effectively dead ****
>
> DOUBLE CONSONANT SPELLINGS.
> 1.  Introduce <ll> and <rr> in roots.  **** If diacritical marks are not
> being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to
> mark length. **** Do not revert to single letter in unstressed non-final
> syllables where that changes the root. **** This makes Cornish easier to
> learn but it results in many double consonants that were not in the
> traditional language. ****
> 2.  Introduce <ll> for <dell>, <-ell> for the suffix which implies 'tool'
> or 'device', e.g., dewynnell, draylell, gwariell, hornell, karrigell,
> musurell, pibell, rostell, skitell, skubell, skwychell, tempredhell,
> torgentrell, yeynell. **** I do not agree with this! ****
>
> SHORT <o> and <u>
> 1. Change to <o> in <arlodh>, in line with <toll>, <tomm>, <boka>,
> <bronn>, <koska> **** This is OK. ****
>
> <GH> and <H>
> 1. <gh> everywhere except word-initially.**** This is OK but I prefer <h>
> everywhere except word-finally. ****
>
> PARTICLE <th> in SWF/L
> 1. Join particle with verb as in <thera>, without a gap. **** This is OK.
> ****
>
> PARTICLE (ow>- RLC VARIANT <o>
> 1. Retain <o> (present participle), but drop the apostrophe.**** This
> would be confusing. <o> means "was" so the apostrophe is needed. ****
>
> <NOWYTH>
> 1. To be respelt <nowydh> (M), or <nowedh>. **** This makes sense but I
> would prefer all such words to end -th (as in the traditional language)
> rather than -dh. ****
>
> HYPHENS
> 1.  Remove hyphens from numbers, particles and some other words, e.g.
> <ebost>. **** This may cause confusion. ****
> 2.  Add hyphens in loose compounds of the form 'noun + verbal noun', e.g.
> <jynn-skrifa>, <skath-wolya>, etc. **** This is OK. ****
> 3.  <poslev/poslevow> to replace <poos-lev/poos-levow>. **** This is OK.
> ****
> 4.  <erbynn> to replace <er-bynn>. **** This is OK. ****
> (but personal use to remain optional).
>
> VOWEL LENGTH IN MONOSYLLABIC LOAN WORDS ENDING -p OR -t.
> 1.  To be written as <pp>, <tt> if they contain a short vowel. **** If
> diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the
> only other viable way to mark length. However, I do not like a system where
> you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. It is easier
> to just learn which words have unexpectedly-long vowels. ****
> 2.  Accept both permissible plural endings, e.g. <hattys/hattow> ****
> This is OK. ****
>
> DHYWORTH/DYWORTH
> 1.  Accept <dhyworth> and <dyworth> as alternatives, and <dhort> and
> <dort> in RLC variants. **** This is OK. ****
>
> A/OA ALTERNATION
> 1.  Remove RLC variants <toal>, <kloav>, <gwoav>, <gwloan>, spelling them
> only with -a-. **** This is OK. ****
> 2.  Add <boas>, <doas>, <moas> in RLC variants to the remaining <broas>. ****
> This is OK. ****
>
> <OO> for KK <OE>
> 1.  <goolan> to become <golan>.  Otherwise, no change. **** This is OK.
> ****
>
> <kk> AND <ck>
> 1.  <ck> to be used in all borrowings; <kk> in all other cases, including
> those in doubt. **** I do not like a system where you need to know the
> history of a word to spell it correctly. I would prefer <ck> everywhere.
> ****
> 2.  <okkupya> to be respelt <okupya>. **** This is OK. ****
>
> APOSTROPHES IN RLC VARIANTS
> 1.  Retain before nouns like <'manyn>. **** I would remove this one too.
> ****
> 2.  Do not use elsewhere where the beginning of a word has been shed, e.g.
> <skydnya> from <dyskynna>. **** This is OK. ****
> 3.  Do not use internally, e.g. <metern> from <myghtern> and <mos> from
> <mowes>. **** This is OK. ****
> 4.  Do not use after <kal> (KK <kalgh>). **** This is OK. ****
> 5.  May be used where -th, -dh is dropped, e.g. pro', for', warbar'.  To
> be left to the discretion of individual writers. **** I would keep the
> ending but make it optionally silent. ****
>
> <eu>
> 1.  Add SWF/L <enkladhva>, SWF/M <ynkladhva>  (presently SWF
> <ynkleudhva>). **** This is OK. ****
> 2.  Allow <teudhi and <tedha> as alternative spellings. **** This is OK.
> ****
> 3.  Add to SWF/L <bidhi> (currently <beudhi> only); and <briji> (currently
> <breuji> in SWF/L). **** This is OK. ****
> No change to <breusi>, <Meurth>, <feusik>. **** This is OK. ****
>
> GWR & GR (SWF/L VARIANT)
> 1.  Write <gwr-> in RMC and RLC, inclusing <gwra>, <gwruthyl>. **** This
> is OK. ****
>
> GEMINATION & PROVECTION IN SUPERLATIVES/SUBJUNCTIVES
> 1.  Retain <tth>, introduce corresponding <ggh>, <cch>, <ssh>. **** I do
> not agree with this! ****
>
> WORTIWEDH, ETC.
> 1.  <wortiwedh/wostiwedh> and <wostalleth/wortalleth> to be single words,
> without apostrophes. **** This is OK. ****
>
> 1ST PERSON SINGULAR
> 1  RC variant <me>, <ve>, no longer required.**** This is OK for <ve> but
> <me> should be retained. ****
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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