[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Tue Mar 25 11:09:25 GMT 2014


Craig, 

According to current SWF rules the vowel in ‹byhan› is short [ˈbɪhən] and slightly lower and not quite as front, while in ‹bian› it's long [ˈbiːɐn], high and front. 

Dan


On Mar 25, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Craig Weatherhill wrote:

> The short form <bygh> does exist, though but seems largely ignored by the revival.  It occurs in several place-names.
> One wonders what will happen in the SWF if current <byhan> becomes <byghan>.  What about the variant <bian>?  What happens to that?
> (I remain baffled why, of those two forms, one contains <y> and the other <i>, when the vowel is exactly the same length in both, and both should, under SWF rules, contain <i>).
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> On 2014 Mer 25, at 10:35, Nicholas Williams wrote:
> 
>> There is no justification for byghan anyway, since byghan is unattested in the texts. It occurs in PNN but toponymy is likely to maintain archaic forms. In PA beghan occurs twice. In other texts the commonest form is byan, byen. Tregear writes bean, Lhuyd bîan. The use of gh between syllables in UC was suggested by forms in PA, which was Nance's foundation text. PA writes arghans 'silver', vghelder, peghes, yrghys, nagha, fleghys, etc.
>> 
>> On 25 Mar 2014, at 10:17, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a step back into the dark ages. Not only does intervocalic ‹gh› prompt an unlikely pronunciation, it actually prompts mispronunciation as native English speakers who learn and speak Cornish prequently subsitute [k] for aspired [x] or [ɦ] ("arkans, mikturn" etc.). I have yet to hear KK-supporters pronounce, e.g. ‹byghan› 'small, little' as recommended by Ken George as [ˈbɪˑɦan]: 
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