[Spellyans] SWF review results.

Jon Mills j.mills at email.com
Tue Mar 25 13:47:23 GMT 2014


It would seem to me, then, that those who prefer traditional graphs have 2 options:
1. accept the demise of traditional graphs;
or
2. protest
i. by complaining to all relevant authorities,
ii. by taking direct action.
Any other suggestions?
Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: A. J. Trim
Sent: 03/25/14 01:17 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF review results.

Jan,

I prefer to use traditional graphs. My own orthography uses traditional graphs. However, they don’t have real official status. Children won’t be taught them, you won’t see them on signage or in official documents, and official funding will be harder. Visitors to Cornwall will not see them. It is only when you look harder at what is being published and taught to adults that you will find them. Many will dismiss them as being irrelevant quaint old way but most will not even know they exist.

Regards,

Andrew J. Trim

 *From:* janicelobb at gmail.com 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:00 AM
 *To:* spellyans at kernowek.net 
 *Subject:* Re: [Spellyans] SWF review results.

Andrew, you say that traditional graphs are effectively dead, but not so as long as those of us that like them keep on using them!
Jan

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:31 AM, A. J. Trim < ajtrim at msn.com > wrote:

Craig,

Thanks for that.

For what it is worth, I have added my comments to your message.

Regards,

Andrew J. Trim

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Weatherhill
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:53 PM
To:  spellyans at kernowek.net 
Subject: [Spellyans] SWF review results.

I managed to get these today. Many items are "no change", so I've singled out those in which a change was decided upon. *** So there is no change to the <i>/<y> distribution, and no change to the ambiguous <u> problem *** The below is given in SWF/M for convenience, but the status of Traditional graphs remain unaltered. *** Effectively dead ***

DOUBLE CONSONANT SPELLINGS.
1. Introduce <ll> and <rr> in roots.  /*** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. ***/ Do not revert to single letter in unstressed non-final syllables where that changes the root.  /*** This makes Cornish easier to learn but it results in many double consonants that were not in the traditional language. ***/
2. Introduce <ll> for <dell>, <-ell> for the suffix which implies 'tool' or 'device', e.g., dewynnell, draylell, gwariell, hornell, karrigell, musurell, pibell, rostell, skitell, skubell, skwychell, tempredhell, torgentrell, yeynell. *** I do not agree with this! ***

SHORT <o> and <u>
1. Change to <o> in <arlodh>, in line with <toll>, <tomm>, <boka>, <bronn>, <koska>  /*** This is OK. ***/

<GH> and <H>
1. <gh> everywhere except word-initially. /*** This is OK but I prefer <h> everywhere except word-finally. ***/

PARTICLE <th> in SWF/L
1. Join particle with verb as in <thera>, without a gap.  /*** This is OK. ***/

PARTICLE (ow>- RLC VARIANT <o>
1. Retain <o> (present participle), but drop the apostrophe. /*** This would be confusing. <o> means “was” so the apostrophe is needed. ***/

<NOWYTH>
1. To be respelt <nowydh> (M), or <nowedh>.  /*** This makes sense but I would prefer all such words to end -th (as in the traditional language) rather than -dh. ***/

HYPHENS
1. Remove hyphens from numbers, particles and some other words, e.g. <ebost>.  /*** This may cause confusion. ***/
2. Add hyphens in loose compounds of the form 'noun + verbal noun', e.g. <jynn-skrifa>, <skath-wolya>, etc.  /*** This is OK. ***/
3. <poslev/poslevow> to replace <poos-lev/poos-levow>.  /*** This is OK. ***/
4. <erbynn> to replace <er-bynn>.  /*** This is OK. ***/

(but personal use to remain optional).

VOWEL LENGTH IN MONOSYLLABIC LOAN WORDS ENDING -p OR -t.
1. To be written as <pp>, <tt> if they contain a short vowel.  /*** If diacritical marks are not being used to indicate vowel length, this is the only other viable way to mark length. However, I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. It is easier to just learn which words have unexpectedly-long vowels. ***/
2. Accept both permissible plural endings, e.g. <hattys/hattow>  /*** This is OK. ***/

DHYWORTH/DYWORTH
1. Accept <dhyworth> and <dyworth> as alternatives, and <dhort> and <dort> in RLC variants.  /*** This is OK. ***/

A/OA ALTERNATION
1. Remove RLC variants <toal>, <kloav>, <gwoav>, <gwloan>, spelling them only with -a-.  /*** This is OK. ***/
2. Add <boas>, <doas>, <moas> in RLC variants to the remaining <broas>.  /*** This is OK. ***/

<OO> for KK <OE>
1. <goolan> to become <golan>. Otherwise, no change.  /*** This is OK. ***/

<kk> AND <ck>
1. <ck> to be used in all borrowings; <kk> in all other cases, including those in doubt.  /*** I do not like a system where you need to know the history of a word to spell it correctly. I would prefer <ck> everywhere. ***/
2. <okkupya> to be respelt <okupya>.  /*** This is OK. ***/

APOSTROPHES IN RLC VARIANTS
1. Retain before nouns like <'manyn>.  /*** I would remove this one too. ***/
2. Do not use elsewhere where the beginning of a word has been shed, e.g. <skydnya> from <dyskynna>.  /*** This is OK. ***/
3. Do not use internally, e.g. <metern> from <myghtern> and <mos> from <mowes>.  /*** This is OK. ***/
4. Do not use after <kal> (KK <kalgh>).  /*** This is OK. ***/
5. May be used where -th, -dh is dropped, e.g. pro', for', warbar'. To be left to the discretion of individual writers.  /*** I would keep the ending but make it optionally silent. ***/

<eu>
1. Add SWF/L <enkladhva>, SWF/M <ynkladhva> (presently SWF <ynkleudhva>).  /*** This is OK. ***/
2. Allow <teudhi and <tedha> as alternative spellings.  /*** This is OK. ***/
3. Add to SWF/L <bidhi> (currently <beudhi> only); and <briji> (currently <breuji> in SWF/L).  /*** This is OK. ***/
No change to <breusi>, <Meurth>, <feusik>.  /*** This is OK. ***/

GWR & GR (SWF/L VARIANT)
1. Write <gwr-> in RMC and RLC, inclusing <gwra>, <gwruthyl>.  /*** This is OK. ***/

GEMINATION & PROVECTION IN SUPERLATIVES/SUBJUNCTIVES
1. Retain <tth>, introduce corresponding <ggh>, <cch>, <ssh>.  /*** I do not agree with this! ***/

WORTIWEDH, ETC.
1. <wortiwedh/wostiwedh> and <wostalleth/wortalleth> to be single words, without apostrophes.  /*** This is OK. ***/

1ST PERSON SINGULAR
1 RC variant <me>, <ve>, no longer required. /*** This is OK for <ve> but <me> should be retained. ***/

Craig

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