[Spellyans] SWF review results.
ken at ferintosh.org
Fri Mar 28 14:58:40 GMT 2014
Many thanks, Nicholas, most informative.
In my earlier posts today I was discussing Golenoder in response to Craigs
discussion of Golowan.
I was unable to make the recent Cornish language conference owing to a chest
infection, and was sorry to have missed it. Julie Tamblin took my place,
and reported on the proceedings. Yourself and Brian Ó hEadhra had a
recorded discussion, which I hope will become available for those who missed
the event. I was hoping to make the Celtic Media Festival in St Ives next
week, but I am sorry to have to miss out on that as well.
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF review results.
Golowan is, I believe, not from Gool and Jowan but from the earlier Yowan <
In the texts Yowan survives only in this word.
In the hundred or so years that the Cornish were under the West Saxons,
Yowan seems to
have disappeard to be replaced by the Norman French form Jowan after the
Two things should be noticed. In the Celtic church saints names were not
used as names
for children. The Irish could for example call a boy Giolla Padraig and
It was not until the Norman conquest of Ireland that they began to use the
as a name for children and then the name appears in a Norman form.
We thus have doublets:
Saint: Eoiin - boy: Sean
Saint Muire - girl: Maire.
It is clear that Yesu for Jesus was used in Pantersbridge < Pont Iesu
but in the texts the name of Jesus was Jesu, Jesus will initial dZ.
If the name had ever been *Yesu in the MC period, one would expect
some texts to write *Esu, *Esus as they write Ethewon as well as Yethewon
or ehes as well as yehes 'health'.
The KK New Testament has Jamys 'James' but Yowan 'John', when
it is much more likely that the two names had the same initial consonant.
I take it as certain that the MC and thus revived Cornish names should be
Jesu(s), Jowan, Josef/Josep, etc.
Notice incidentally the attested forms for St John the Baptist
sen iowen baptyst BM 4450
S. Johan baptist TH 8
S Johan baptist TH 29a
Jowan baptist TH 43a.
The saint should therefore be called Sen Jowan Baptyst or perhaps better
There is no warrant for *Yowan an Besydhyer.
On 28 Mar 2014, at 11:32, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
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