[Spellyans] SWF review

Clive Baker clive.baker at gmail.com
Fri May 9 20:37:02 IST 2014


The alternation flogh / flehes is really really easy to learn. Anyone can
do it. It’s [floːx] / [ˈflɛhǝs]. It isn’t [ˈflɛxǝs]. Anyone who tells you
otherwise doesn’t have the linguistic facts behind him.

come on Michael... anything is easy to learn by anyone my
friend...otherwise no-one would be speaking English with all its
idiosyncracies...as I wrote earlier, it is good for my students at least,
that they can see the link between flogh and fleghes, and just as they
learn that vowel sounds change when another syllable is added in English,
they it is a simple rule to say that medial gh is pronounced h whilst final
gh is pronounced gh... I really see no problem, and I am certainly not one
of the ignorami to which you seem to refer

oll an gwella
Clive


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>wrote:

> On 9 May 2014, at 05:03, Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9 May 2014 10:31, Ray Chubb <ray at spyrys.org> wrote:
> >> The only reason that the Review Board decided to 'dumb up' on this
> issue is because medial 'gh' is part of Kernewek Kemyn.
> >
> > Do you have a source for that?
> >
> > Because my assumption was that they did it as a measure to make SWF more
> similar to those things that are shared by UC and KK—a kind of
> reconciliation.
>
> An orthography might try to be morphophonemic or it might try to be
> phonetic. The Review Board as a whole does not really seem to have
> understood the orthographic principles upon which the SWF itself was based,
> and the unsystematic heap of recommended changes, together with the heap of
> rejected suggestions, leads to a revised SWF which is palpably worse than
> the original SWF. Make no mistake. SWF2 will do a disservice to the Cornish
> language, and the gerrymandered Review Board of non-experts has led to a
> failure in terms of an adequate linguistic review.
>
> > Since UC seems to be used by more people than UCR, so this change would
> make SWF more similar to what most people previously used.
>
> /x/ is realized as [x] in absolute auslaut. Medially it is realized as
> [h]. This is reflected in traditional Cornish orthography. Writing an
> alternation -h- / -gh is the more accurate choice, particularly when we
> know that -gh- has led to pronunciation errors in people learning and using
> Cornish.
>
> The alternation flogh / flehes is really really easy to learn. Anyone can
> do it. It’s [floːx] / [ˈflɛhǝs]. It isn’t [ˈflɛxǝs]. Anyone who tells you
> otherwise doesn’t have the linguistic facts behind him.
>
> Unified Cornish may have been widespread, but it has features which lead
> to pronunciation errors, like -gh-. It also (as Eddie has pointed out)
> regularly permits those features which lead to more accurate pronunciation,
> like -h-. The right thing to do is to choose the latter: even if they have
> not been used as frequently in the past, we now know that they are the
> better options for learners. This aligns UC with UCR and KS and SWF1. SWF2
> seems to be leading back to KK.
>
> What a pity for the Revival.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>
>
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