[Spellyans] Accents

Michael Everson everson at evertype.com
Mon Nov 2 05:48:07 GMT 2015


Andrew,

There is no need to adopt your suggestions. Eath is not better than êth, and êth does not burden Cornish learners any more than brâs does. 

The letter “v” means /v/ and to suggest that it also be used for /y/~/i/ is… well… not going to happen.


> On 1 Nov 2015, at 22:37, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> As there are only about five of these disambiguating diacritical marks in KS, the affected words could be respelt irregularly, and they could easily be learnt as exceptions.
> 
> I suggest adding an 'a', as follows:
> 
> eath (went) and eth (eight) and daa (good) and da (variant of 'dha').
> ke 'go' ~ kea 'hedge'; po 'if' ~ poa < boa subjunctive of bos; te 'thou' ~ tea 'tea'.
> 
> As for 'ù', I have been advocating 'v' instead for the last 5 years: cvssul, vnderstondya, arlvth, pvb.
> Although this looks strange at first, it soon becomes natural. It is rarely ambiguous. It is easy to write.
> 
> I am not against diacritical marks. I only want to minimise their use.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andrew J. Trim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/11/15 18:43, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>> NB: The SWF spelling is ‹kussul› or ‹cussul›. 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01 Nov 2015, at 17:29, njawilliams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can think of only a few examples more: kê 'go' ~ ke 'hedge'; pò 'if' ~ po < bo subjunctive of bos; te 'thou' ~ tê 'tea'. The use of the diacritic here is like French a 'has' ~ à 'to'; ou 'or' ~ où 'where?' I certainly have never found it arduous or irksome. Although I always use diacritics when writing KS, others may prefer to omit them in certain cases. The advantage of diacritics is that they facilitate the reading of written Cornish. KS cùssul is unambiguous. SWF cusul/kusul is not. 
>>> Notice that I am writing this on my iPhone and have no difficulty with diacritics. 
>>> 
>>> Nicholas
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 1 Samh 2015, at 15:19, Ray Chubb <ray at spyrys.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have to admit that it is only recently that I have studied in depth where one should apply the accents in KS.
>>>> 
>>>> Having read the section in Desky Kernowek, I think I understand the rules now and there is one case for applying accents which I would query. We are informed that a circumflex accent ( ˄) is used to show when two words have the same spelling and pronunciation but have different meanings, e.g. êth (went) and eth (eight) and dâ (good)and da (variant of 'dha').
>>>> 
>>>> We do not yet have a full dictionary in KS so I don't know how many examples this rule is likely to throw up. I believe that most regular users of Cornish will understand that a different word is involved from the context in which the word is written. To show different words in this way by a circumflex is, I believe, unnecessary and only increases the number of accents that must be inserted in order to write KS.
>>>> 
>>>> A quicker way of inserting accents has recently been explained to me but, nevertheless, it still takes more time to write a document in KS than it would in Unified or SWF.
>>>> 
>>>> Ray Chubb
>>>> 
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