[Spellyans] Excel SWF-KK-Traditional Corpus-WIP

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Sat Jan 30 13:28:09 GMT 2016


"Bogus Fleming" nearly had me shooting my coffee down my nose!

No, the Signage Panel hasn't used the Kesva's list at all.  We started from scratch.  There is a current master list, which I have stored in my documents, and which I can send to you.
It's good that we've eliminated most of the mistakes and, of course, the list can be converted into any orthography you please.

It is rather a pity that Kambron and Kambronn have turned up in a document of 1469, held at the Records Office in Truro.  The two spellings occur in the same few lines of text, so the scribe obviously couldn't make his mind up! 
(I was a little sceptical of the discovery at first, but checked up and found, to my disappointment, that the document is genuine).

Craig



On 2016 Gen 30, at 12:45, Ken MacKinnon wrote:

> Hi Craig,
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> Is this from the place-name and signage panel’s update of the Kesva’s place-name list ( on which many inaccuracies have been observed, and many guess-work or made-up names appeared, e.g. for Bogus Fleming, and Summercourt) ?
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> If single-handedly you managed to reduce these to five I think you deserve a medal.  Pity about Kammbronn though – Cambronn would have been tolerable.
> Is the Panel’s list available, either as hard copy or on-line?
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> Yn rag hag yn ban – an ken Ken
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> From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: 29 January 2016 22:21
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Excel SWF-KK-Traditional Corpus-WIP
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> Confirmed.  Also see Bodriggy, Hayle, and Bodrifty, Madron.  Both much too far west for non-assibilation to have been preserved under any other circumstances.
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> I tried hard to argue the case for Resrudh on the Signage Panel, but was outvoted on that.  (Res- is retained by the SWF names when unstressed.  Rys only when stressed).
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> The dreadful Kammbronn has been retained, but in this case, it was taken out of our hands by the Partnership (we were close to agreement on Kammbron/Cammbron, which accords with SWF rules.  Kammbronn does not, according to Albert).  This remains the only place-name that was not decided by the Panel.  I've managed to prevent historical foul-ups (as per CLB) in all bar 5 so far (out of 3,000 +) which, for a lone voice, isn't bad and warrants my sticking with it.
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> Craig
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> On 2016 Gen 29, at 21:38, Nicholas Williams wrote:
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> I have a MacBook OSX version 10.12.2 and a rather ancient iPhone. I can read the whole thing on the iPhone, but only as far as ordyr on my laptop.
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> Since the glossary is in KK and SWF/M it is not of any great interest to me, particularly since much of the fuller KK section is, in my view, at best invention and at worst palpably incorrect, e.g. *bywnans, *klywes,
> *Yudi ‘Judea’, *Nasara ’Nazareth—the attested spelling is Nazare, Nazary. 
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> I notice that the KK for ‘Redruth’ is given as Rysrudh. The first element should have e rather than y. More importantly it is clear that the 
> consonant cluster -dr- in Cornish does not assibilate to -sr- in intervocalic position. This can be seen from such forms as pedry, hadre ‘while’, edrek, pedrevanas, godros, ladra, medra, etc.
> Notice also that in BK Modred is either Modreth or Modres, showing that the final segment can be assibilated but the internal -dr- is not.
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> The Cornish for Redruth is Redruth: durth Pedn an Wollaz tho an Karrack Looez, ha tua Poreeah ha Redruth NBoson. 
> The final element is unstressed and I take it to be voiceless. Rysrudh in my view is unwarranted. 
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> I think Craig will agree with me that -dr- in Redruth is not assibilated.
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> Nicholas 
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> On 29 Jan 2016, at 20:12, Harry 'Double-H' Hawkey <bendyfrog at live.com> wrote:
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> What software / operating system / device are you using to open it?  It works fine for me in excel and open office, windows and linux (should be 5,873 entries, zian is the last word).
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