[Spellyans] The Pronounciation of 'r' in traditional Cornish

Christian Semmens christian.semmens at gmail.com
Tue Mar 28 09:16:55 IST 2017


With regard to the trilled [r], is it likely that all vestiges of this
sound were expunged from Cornish so very late, to be completely replaced by
[ɹ] across the country?

I find that hard to believe, especially as [r] and [ɾ] forms such readily
identifiable sounds in Scottish, Welsh and Irish English, but not in
Cornish. Even then it is only Scottish that displays any significant use of
[r]. Actually, I can't think of anyone in West Penwith (or elsewhere in
Cornwall for that matter) that used either in normal speech, I certainly
never heard anyone use them, but then my experience hardly counts for
much.

Christian

On 27 March 2017 at 23:03, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:

> On the other hand, he spent much of his time in Oxford, so when he
> describes a sound as being "as in English", is he talking about English as
> spoken there?
>
> Craig
>
>
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> On 2017 Mer 27, at 20:33, Harry Hawkey wrote:
>
> Well, that solves something that I've been wondering about for quite some
> time. Thanks for this!
>
> On 27/03/17 19:50, Nicholas Williams wrote:
>
> Lhuyd was born in 1660 in Llanforda and brought up there. Llanforda is in
> the parish of Oswestry in Shropshire.
> The area was Welsh-speaking at the time of his birth and the dialect
> pronounced Welsh long a with a raised pronunciation. For him the vowel in
> tad ‘father’
> would have been close to [æ:].
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 27 Mar 2017, at 18:05, Harry Hawkey <bendyfrog at live.com> wrote:
>
> But surely Welsh 'bras'  (Lhuyd 'brâs') has neither of these sounds?
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