[Spellyans] final -y in verbal nouns

Thu Apr 8 12:34:06 BST 2021

Dan,

I agree with this – I saw UCR as the natural successor to Nance, and in a way that felt natural and seemed right. I also subscribe to the idea that many of the alternatives have the look and feel of Conlangs, not natural, not rooted in the past, and somehow lost their connection with sister languages like modern Breton and Welsh. UCR still seems to cut through all that.

Herbie

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From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 08 April 2021 09:33
To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Cc: Neil Kennedy <keverango at yahoo.ie>; Rod Lyon <tewennow at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] final -y in verbal nouns

Herbie wheg, 

If Nance’s work had been so fantastic it would hardly have lead to the schism in the Cornish language movement. The holes that Nance’s UC had and the dissatisfaction that lead to attempts at orthographic reform from the 1970s onwards are a result of Nance’s approach, well not so much the approach of standardising the textual spellings, but rather going for the older than the newer and a phonology more in terms of an ad-hoc spelling pronunciation, making it difficult for revivalists to incorporate later forms on the one hand, and something resembling the  phonology of  the historical language, as far as it  could and can be reconstructed. 

I agree with Jan, that discontinuing Jenner’s efforts was the first time that pandora’s box of orthographic reform was opened, which at the time had little repercussion on account of the small number of Cornish revivalists at the time. Nicholas’ attempt at reconciling this with UCR would have been an excellent way of addressing the issues of UC in the first place, a mild reform, being more inclusive of later Cornish texts in a spirit of continuity, but, alas, 10 years too late. The split had already happened. I fully understand your idealism and empathise with it wholeheartedly, but I’m afraid it’s wishful thinking. All this has happened and cannot be undone. Many wounds have now healed, but are still sore. And from my engagement in the community I see the same idealism and passion for the language, just differing approaches and views. 

Dan

On 07.04.2021, at 17:02, Herbie Blackburn <kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com <mailto:kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com> > wrote:

I am still at an utter loss as to why Cornish revival was not just simply a continuation of the fantastic work Nance did. It would be so far on now if all these divisive and disparate efforts had used that base, however flawed, and taken it forward, adding consistency and modern terms for today’s users.

Probably sounds very idealistic and simplistic…..but….!

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From: Spellyans [ <mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net> mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Janice Lobb
Sent: 07 April 2021 15:55
To: Neil Kennedy < <mailto:keverango at yahoo.ie> keverango at yahoo.ie>
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] final -y in verbal nouns

Please do not judge us on our web sites! Perhaps it would be better not to have one at all. I am tearing my hair out because I know the Cussul website is dreadfully out of date. The problem is time and expertise. My son keeps trying to explain to me how to update it but I forget! Due to Covid we have not been sitting down together. Also he is very busy running his new masters course in Indy Gaming (whatever that is!) at Falmouth University. As Neil says, we have left dear Richard Gendall in the past. You obviously didn't see his final dictionary, Nicholas, which we did not adopt, as being too extremely Lhuydian. 

Jan

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:37 PM Neil Kennedy < <mailto:keverango at yahoo.ie> keverango at yahoo.ie> wrote:

Otta hei genes, saw chy a vedn gweles nag ew scrifys Cussül warlergh an gis a eron ûsya!

 <http://www.moderncornish.net/index.html> Modern Cornish - Home

Modern Cornish - Home

cornish language

On Wednesday 7 April 2021, 15:27:53 GMT+2, Nicholas Williams < <mailto:njawilliams at gmail.com> njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote: 

Yth esta ytho ow qwetyas pobel a’n tu wàr ves dhe wodhvos adro dhe daclow nag eus wàr an wiasva. Saw revrons ahanans yma semlant a wiasva offycyal wàr hebma: 

Cussel an Tavas Kernôwek/The Cornish Language Council < <http://www.moderncornish.net/> http://www.moderncornish.net>

Fatla yll nebonen godhvos nag yw an wiasva-na agas gwiasva in gwiryoneth?

Ple ma an wiasva wiryon?

Nicholas

On 7 Apr 2021, at 14:02, Neil Kennedy < <mailto:keverango at yahoo.ie> keverango at yahoo.ie> wrote:

The site in question is not the Cussul's official site and should disappear. It was created c.2007 by Gus Williams and has not been maintained. Michael kindly paid for it but we did not get our act together and keep it up-to-date. The information is outdated and therefore somewhat embarrassing.

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