[Spellyans] 'to bury' in the Akademi's dictionary

Michael Everson everson at evertype.com
Wed Apr 7 16:02:29 BST 2021


Exclusion of actual experts is one of the reasons the SWF leaks so badly. Albert was a Bretonist. Ben was the world’s only speaker who used Ken George’s phonology. That doesn’t make either of then “neutral” really.  hen the group UdnFormScrefys devised KS1, Albert and Ben devised KD (Kernowek Dasunys). KD was essentially KK with traditional graphs, though there were a few other changes made. The resulting SWF largely retained KK’s “etymological vowels” in unstressed syllables, which make the SWF, as far as I can tell, impossible to learn for the following reason alone (though there are many others).

How does anyone know when to write ⟨i⟩ and when ⟨y⟩ in unstressed syllables in the SWF? The answer is that they can’t, unless maybe they remember their Insular Latin and Breton and Welsh. Kernowek Standard solved this problem, and has rules for when to use ⟨i⟩ and when to use ⟨y⟩. 

If I recall, that was the first of the problems that we here on Spellyans collectively examined and solved. 

We were obliged to do that, because the SWF was not fit for purpose. It made certain assumptions about dialect forms which informed choices we had to make (such as marking the bÿs~bës class of words, and the disposition of [iː] and [ɪ] in stressed monosyllables outside of the bÿs~bës class). It’s a robust, legible, and teachable orthography which has now been used for some 2.4 million words in print.

Michael Everson

> On 7 Apr 2021, at 11:40, Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com> wrote:
> 
> No, Nicholas, you were deliberately excluded, or rather part of the majority organisations threatened to walk away if you or Michael were part of the Ad-Hoc group. Albert and Ben are/were hardly non-expert. Others were present in advisory capacity. Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7. Apr 2021, at 12:18, Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The name Akademi Kernewek was chosen to give the impression that it consisted of linguistic experts, like the Welsh Academy.
>> The Akademi Kernewek however is a collection of enthusiasts without proper training in Celtic linguistics,
>> language planning or orthographical design.
>> The SWF was designed without academic input. Indeed the experts were deliberately excluded.
>> The Akademi Dictionary continues this amateurish approach.
>> 
>> The Akademi is now the problem.
>> 
>> Nicholas Williams
>> 
>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 11:00, Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know why this name was chosen. Maybe because some of the participants have an academic degree?
>>> Dan
>> 
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