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<DIV>It was Chaspar Pult (not 'Pultz'). I am not sure why he 'baled out'
but he was recommended as having eminent experience in establishing a standard
Romantsch ' Romantsch Grishun' on the basis of three existing dialects.</DIV>
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<DIV>Fishman baled out owing to an accident (fall in bathroom). He is in
in his eighties and it shook him up - decided he was not making any further
transatlantic forays. Having recently had a similar accident in a
Glasgow hotel it is not funny and has concentrated my own mind somewhat on my
own activities.</DIV>
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<DIV>The linguistic eminence of the remainder may be a matter for personal
opinion - or a matter of the deficiencies of Google. In my own view in
this case most definitely the latter.</DIV>
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<DIV>- an Ken ken</DIV>
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<DIV>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,<BR>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by
Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV7 8HX<BR>Tel: 01349 - 863460<BR>E-mail: <A
href="mailto:kenmackinnon@enterprise.net">kenmackinnon@enterprise.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pennysquire@ymail.com href="mailto:pennysquire@ymail.com">Penny
Squire</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">Standard Cornish discussion list</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] Introducing
Penny Squire</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">That's
odd. You got a copy of my posting, so did I, but nothing appeared on the list.
Glitch in the software? Attention, please, list owner!</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Re
linguists: Fishman and Pultz bailed out halfway through, I understand. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">From
what I have Googled I would not have thought that the rest were terribly
eminent and with zilch experience in languages revived from texts.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Gotta
go - bye guys, back whenever put probably not with suntan</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Penny<BR><BR></DIV>
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Harry Fraiser
<harryfraiser@googlemail.com><BR>To: Standard Cornish discussion list
<spellyans@kernowek.net><BR>Sent: Thursday, 10 July, 2008 4:48:11
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire<BR><BR>Surely these
Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away<BR>with such a plot?
After all, the linguists were pretty eminent,
I<BR>believe.<BR><BR>Harry<BR><BR>On 7/10/08, Penny Squire <<A
href="mailto:pennysquire@ymail.com"
ymailto="mailto:pennysquire@ymail.com">pennysquire@ymail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and
fro between<BR>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less
in touch than I<BR>> would have preferred.<BR>> Having said that, I
have, when possible, been ploughing through any and<BR>> every discussion I
could access on what was going on (in addition to<BR>> actually learning
the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as looking<BR>> at George,
Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.<BR>> From what I can gather the Partnership
may have been following a political<BR>> agenda of " let's fudge something,
it means government money" - great for<BR>> the boys and girls employed by
Cornwall Council, not so great for the<BR>> language.<BR>> I'm not,
however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on<BR>>
conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and
homegrown<BR>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are
not too expert,<BR>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") -
Eric Brook is, after<BR>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who
doesn't know about La Ansari<BR>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be
on this list!) and Bert Biscoe lost<BR>> the plot on the Assembly campaign
long ago and has obviously failed to come<BR>> to any sort of understanding
about the language.<BR>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be
surprised if Big<BR>> Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either.<BR>> I have
read the so-called report the Commission produced and have seen more<BR>>
valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. I'm not
a<BR>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my
uncle Tony<BR>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity
linguists aren't<BR>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.<BR>>
Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led to
the<BR>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
consultation<BR>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say
which is totally<BR>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous
plan which please<BR>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb
to build after going way<BR>> over budget.<BR>> As for the SWF itself -
I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of Brythonic<BR>> languages would
tear it apart.<BR>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to
design an orthography to<BR>> reflect how second language learners
and speakers brought up on divergent<BR>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish
has to be the single most crazy linguistic<BR>> idea since whoever it
was built the tower of Babel.. What mutt dreamt that<BR>> one up?<BR>>
Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was<BR>>
pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on pronunciation.
Go<BR>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on
this list -<BR>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!<BR>> As
I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using Kernewek<BR>>
Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans<BR>> group is to
reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it<BR>>
differs from KK.<BR>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will
catch up on my return.<BR>> Penny<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original
Message ----<BR>> From: Jon Mills <<A href="mailto:j.mills@email.com"
ymailto="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>><BR>> To:
Standard Cornish discussion list <<A href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net"
ymailto="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A>><BR>>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans]
Introducing Penny Squire<BR>><BR>><BR>> I'd be interested to hear why
you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.<BR>> Jon<BR>><BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Penny Squire"<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net"
ymailto="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A><BR>>
Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire<BR>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008
16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've
been studying Cornish for a while, partly<BR>> through KDL using Kemmyn and
partly by looking at everything I could lay my<BR>> hands on.
Unfortunately I have been in and out of Cornwall a lot over the<BR>> past
few years, so classes and exams were out, and conversational
experience<BR>> has been crammed in whenever possible. Hopefully this may
change before<BR>> long.<BR>><BR>> I also have some UC and LC
material which I picked up here and there and I<BR>> have looked at some of
the MC texts, so I am reasonably aware of the<BR>> different spellings. I
have not studied linguistics but have a smattering of<BR>> languages and am
pretty good at hearing differences in dialects.<BR>><BR>> In my opinion
the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be fixed, but I<BR>> gather
that some believe that it may be possible. I'm willing to hear<BR>>
everyone's views - which is why I'm here.<BR>><BR>>
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