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<div>'Explanatory epithet' (hopefully not too <i>ad hominem) </i>re 'new personage' (Jings! Do you really talk like that?) coming up, as per request:</div><div><br></div><div>Keith Bailey is one of the more polemical, less rational, supporters of Kernewek Kemyn. With two (science) degrees under his belt, he appears to be living proof of the observation made by George Savile, 1st Marquis of Halifax (1633-1695) that,</div><div><i>"The vanity of teaching <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; ">[i.e. 'being taught'] <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; ">doth oft tempt a man to forget he is a blockhead."</span></span></i></div><div>He has been a frequent poster on such online Cornish fora as Cornwall24 and CornishOrthography, under various pseudonyms including 'morvran', 'mongvras' and 'howlsedhes services'. If you fancy a wee daunder along the lunatic fringe of past battlefields of the Cornish Revival, check out the postings by these pseudonyms (and throw in 'ryzvel' and 'bardh' for good measure) in the archives at:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewforum-forum-9.htm">http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewforum-forum-9.htm</a></div><div><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cornishorthography/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cornishorthography/</a></div><div><br></div><div>To put Michael's remark in context, both the Kernowak list and this one, which supersedes it, ask people to register in their own names, so as to avoid the sort of flaming and <i>ad hominem</i> abuse so often seen on anonymous fora like the 2 mentioned above.</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously, there is no way of checking that someone on the Web is truly who they say they are; clearly, "Jean Smith of Liskeard" (who has "always wanted to learn Cornish, but never quite gotten round to it" -- which is, of course, why no-one within the Revival would ever have heard of her/him/it) could actually be, say, Doktor Mengele (or Keith Bailey) in drag.</div><div><br></div><div>A trawl through the archives of the Kernowak list will show that, while most participants were genuinely interested in the development of Kernowak Standard, a few seemed to be there solely as agents provocateurs. Their intent seemed to be to spy out what the 'enemy' (i.e. those who reject KK) were up to, and to try and stir up factional dissent between, for instance, the members who variously favoured UC, UCR, RLC and KK. Those few who persistently breached the rules of courtesy were warned by the Moderator, and then ejected.</div><div><br></div><div>On this new 'Spellyans' list, most contributors likewise seem to have a genuine interest in the attempt to develop a better form of KS or the SWF. But, yet again, it appears that one or two are here solely as agents provocateurs, who wish to sow the seeds of dissent between. say, the users of Middle Cornish and those of Late Cornish.This tired old 'divide and conquer' tactic has been attempted repeatedly, but unsuccessfully, over the last couple of decades by the Kesva and the Kemyn hardkore, and we're still seeing it on this list.</div><div><br></div><div>While one may not know who 'Jean Smith' truly is, from the tune s/he sings and dances to, one knows <b>*what*</b> she is. To use a different metaphor, a muck-raker can hardly avoid smelling of muck, eh?</div><div><br></div><div>It would appear Michael might have been querying the <i>bona fides</i> of 'Mary Williams'.</div><div><br></div><div>yn lel,</div><div><br></div><div>Eddie Foirbeis Climo</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 19 Jul 2008, at 14:39, Harry Fraiser wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Who is Keith Bailey? Would it be possible, for the benefit of us</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">exiles, to attach some explanatory epithet whenever introducing a new</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">personage?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Harry</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 7/19/08, Michael Everson <<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com">everson@evertype.com</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At 23:15 +0000 2008-07-18, Mary Williams wrote:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Good question. They must be a secret society. Or just maybe</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">someone's been pulling Michael's leg. But my point was really if</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">they don't turn up for anything, don't involve themselves with</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">promoting the language, and especially don't seem to write anything,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">why does the 'official' spelling matter to them? If all they do is</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in Cornish is shoo out the cat?</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My goodness, Mary, but don't YOU sound like Keith Bailey.</div></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html>