<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">The language of Gorseth Kernow is Unified Cornish — though it is not always very good Cornish.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">The title of one of the lists is as follows:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Hynwyn Tylu pup Barth oll yn aray abecedary </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Since each bard has one surname it would have been better to write</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Hanow Tylu pup Barth…</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Moreover the word aray means 'appearance, display' in traditional Cornish. 'Order' in</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">is ordyr, order.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Abecedary is not attested, having been borrowed from Middle English.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">The Weslh word is egwyddor < Latin abecedarium. I don't understand why</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Nance didn't Cornicise that as *egwedher or similar, or just borrow the English</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">word as *alfabet. I suppose he just wanted to be quaint, as so often.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Apart from Lhuyd the only reference to letters of the alphabet in the texts</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">is: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Du gveras a b c</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">an pen can henna yv d BM 99-100.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Had I been asked to translate 'The surname of each bard in alphabetical order' I should have written:</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Hanow teylu pub bardh in ordyr an ABC (KS)</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Hanow tylu pup barth yn ordyr an ABC (UC).</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Baskerville; "><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Nicholas</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><div><div>On 20 Jul 2008, at 08:58, Harry Fraiser wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>How are these Bardic titles determined? Do their spellings undergo<br>variation pari passu with orthographical reform?<br><br>Harry<br><br>On 7/20/08, Craig Weatherhill <<a href="mailto:weatherhill@freenet.co.uk">weatherhill@freenet.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Oh, now this IS interesting, Pat. Neither Nicholas nor I appear in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bardic roll. Yes, we both resigned our bardship, and the list could say<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">so. However, what the Gorsedd appears to be doing is to write our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bardship out of history. The facts remain that I was installed as a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bard in 1981 for services to archaeology, and Nicholas rather earlier<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">than that for services to the language. Those facts cannot be discarded<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">simply by omission.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">However, if you then look at the list of Bardic Names, Delynyer<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hendhyscans is there, followed by the words "resigned" and Weatherhill.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Someone at the Gorsedd is being disingenuous, I feel.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Craig<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Golvan, too is there, correctly identified (by surname only) as Williams<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- but no mention of resignation.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Pat wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_roll.pdf">http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_roll.pdf</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_names.pdf">http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_names.pdf</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This is the link to this years which were announced last week.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bard2008.htm">http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bard2008.htm</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">My apologies for going off topic Michael, but we have recently put 2<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">new lists of Bards on the Gorseth website which can be searched by<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">surname or Bardic names.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Give the URLs?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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