<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">In unstressed syllables there is no difference in pronunciation between, say, -in in kegyn and -yn in brentyn. Even KK (which spells "etymologically") admits that unstressed i and y are not to be distinguished. Moreover the texts always spell MC <brentyn>, <bryntyn>. There are no exx of *<brentin>. The name for "Constantine" is common in BM, where it is spelt <Costentyn> at least 20 times. It never has final <-in>. The only time the name has <in> is in the Latin form <Constantinus> in stage directions. To attempt to distinguish kegyn from *brentin, *Costentin in spelling is not wise. It will make learning the orthography much harder and with no phonetic gain. It will merely look like an attempt to salvage a feature of KK, which was misguided in the first place. The SWF should write kegyn, Costentyn, brentyn, melyn, gyllyn, etc.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Notice incidentally, that following KK the SWF at the moment writes gyllyn, gyllys, gyllyns but gylli! <br></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Nicholas</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">-----------<br></span></font><div><div><div>On 23 Jul 2008, at 08:40, Daniel Prohaska wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">I would like to hear everyone’s opinions on the following idea for redistributing <y> and <i> in the SWF. I would write <i> where bother Late and Middle Cornish have /i/ and /i:/, and write <y> ~ <e> (in dictionaries <˙> ~ <ë>) where Middle Cornish has /I/ and /I:/, but Late Cornish has /e/ and /e:/.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">Examples:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">SWF <brentin>; RMC /”brentin/, RLC /”brentin/;<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">SWF <kegyn>; RMC /”kegin/, RLC /”keg@n/;<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">SWF <tir>; RMC /ti:r/, RLC /ti:r/;<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">SWF <bys> ~ <bes>; RMC */bI:z/ = [bi:z] ~ [bIz] ~ [beIz] etc., RLC /be:z/;<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael Everson<br>Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:31 PM</span></font></b><span lang="EN-GB"><br><br></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">At 21:46 +0100 2008-07-20, Craig Weatherhill wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">>Good question - if <y> is a short i and <i> a long one, then this makes<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">>no sense at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">“That is the SWF (and KS) rule for monosyllables. In KS we are making an attempt to rationalize (and make teachable) the distribution of <i> and <y>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Nicholas and I tried many times to have this distribution dealt with<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">during the AHG meetings when we were asked our advice. Our concerns<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">were not addressed. Not even acknowledged.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">--<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Michael Everson *<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.evertype.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.evertype.com</a>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Spellyans mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype'; "><font size="2" face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; "><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>