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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy'>Thanks
everybody for the feedback. My desire for writing <i> rather than <y>
where both RMC and RLC have /i/ is a) to make a text easily convertible, and b)
to reduce the instances of <y> in SWF/L (Standard Written Form/Late), as
the RLC speakers consider <y> to be too “Middle Cornish” a feature, no
doubt because of its frequency in Nance’s UC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy'>So,
Nicholas, just to get this right, you would write <y> in unstressed
syllables, i.e. SWF <bryntyn, brentyn> and SWF <kegyn, kegen>? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy'>I
never liked the KK system of writing <i> in final unstressed position (or
anywhere else word-finally for that matter). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy'>What
would you do in stressed position. It is quite clear where the vowel is long,
as in the <bys/bes>-words v. the <tir>-words. But where it’s short,
I would like to write <i> where RLC also has /i/ rather than /e/ and only
spell them <y> where RMC has /i/ and RLC has /e/. A text is easily convertible
to the <e>-spellings, which is allowed already. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=navy
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"Palatino Linotype";color:navy'> nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 23, 2008
12:17 PM<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Palatino Linotype"'>In unstressed syllables there is no difference in
pronunciation between, say, -in in kegyn and -yn in brentyn. Even KK (which
spells "etymologically") admits that unstressed i and y are not
to be distinguished. Moreover the texts always spell MC <brentyn>,
<bryntyn>. There are no exx of *<brentin>. The name for "<st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Constantine</st1:place></st1:City>" is
common in BM, where it is spelt <Costentyn> at least 20 times. It
never has final <-in>. The only time the name has <in> is in the
Latin form <Constantinus> in stage directions. To attempt to
distinguish kegyn from *brentin, *Costentin in spelling is not wise. It will
make learning the orthography much harder and with no phonetic gain. It will
merely look like an attempt to salvage a feature of KK, which was misguided in
the first place. The SWF should write kegyn, Costentyn, brentyn, melyn, gyllyn,
etc.</span></font></span><font size=2 face="Palatino Linotype"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Palatino Linotype"'>Notice incidentally, that following KK the SWF at the
moment writes gyllyn, gyllys, gyllyns but gylli! </span></font></span><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Palatino Linotype"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype"'>On 23 Jul 2008, at
08:40, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>I would like to hear everyone’s opinions on the following
idea for redistributing <y> and <i> in the SWF. I would write
<i> where bother Late and Middle Cornish have /i/ and /i:/, and write
<y> ~ <e> (in dictionaries <˙> ~ <ë>) where Middle
Cornish has /I/ and /I:/, but Late Cornish has /e/ and /e:/.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font
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font-weight:bold'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></b><font size=2
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>Examples:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font size=2
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font-weight:bold'>SWF <brentin>; RMC /”brentin/, RLC /”brentin/;<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>SWF <kegyn>; RMC /”kegin/, RLC /”keg@n/;<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>SWF <tir>; RMC /ti:r/, RLC /ti:r/;<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>SWF <bys> ~ <bes>; RMC */bI:z/ = [bi:z] ~ [bIz] ~
[beIz] etc., RLC /be:z/;<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font size=2
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>Dan<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font></b><font size=2
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Michael Everson<br>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:31 PM</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>At
21:46 +0100 2008-07-20, Craig Weatherhill wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>>Good
question - if <y> is a short i and <i> a long one, then this makes<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>>no
sense at all.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>“That
is the SWF (and KS) rule for monosyllables. In KS we are making an attempt to
rationalize (and make teachable) the distribution of <i> and <y>.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>Nicholas
and I tried many times to have this distribution dealt with<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Palatino Linotype"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>during
the AHG meetings when we were asked our advice. Our concerns<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype";color:black'>were
not addressed. Not even acknowledged.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Everson *<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.evertype.com">http://www.evertype.com</a>”<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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