<DIV>The variation that Lhuyd notes is typical of variation found in all languages at all periods. In my idiolect of English, for example, I sometimes say [i:k@nQmIks] and I sometimes say [Ek@nQmIks]. It would be naive to think that Middle Cornish has no variation: dialectal, idiolectal or free. Given that variation of one sort or another would have existed throughout out all periods of Cornish and given that the match of traditional spellings to phonology is inexact, we cannot be precise about the phonology of any historical period.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not suggesting that the method that I demostrated in my previous post can be applied to all words that contain unstressed syllables. Not all such words are attested with additional affixes, for example. And those that are attested with additional affixes may for one reason or another produce ambiguous results. I maintain, however, that my method holds good for the examples that I gave.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regarding the examples you gave, consider the following attestations. In the Ordinalia we also find 'newethow' and in Jordan we find 'nowethis', 'nowethys'; so no need to spell this word 'nowoth'. In the Ordinalia we also find 'bannethow'; so no need to spell this word 'nowoth'. In PA we find 'molloz' and 'molozek'; so perhaps it would not be wrong to write 'molloth'.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "nicholas williams" <NJAWILLIAMS@GMAIL.COM><BR>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <SPELLYANS@KERNOWEK.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] redistribution of <I>and <Y><BR>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:39:04 +0100<BR><BR><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">I take your point, Jon, but by the Late Cornish period I am not so sure of the status of schwa.</SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Look at AB 248b where Lhuyd speaks of the ending of the verbal adjective:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">He says "I am sensible that the Modern Pronuncitation of the Cornish does not</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">conform to the the Termination of this Participle's being always in yz: For they generally</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">end it in ez, Saying Kreiez, Called; Trehez, Cut; Miskemerez, Mistaken, Dylîez, Revenged,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Guerhez, Sold, &c. and sometimes in az: As Ledhaz, Slain; Kyrtaz, Delayed; Guesgaz, Worn;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">tho' not seldom, also in yz: As Devydhyz, Quenched; Devedhyz, Come, Bidhyz, Drowned;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Kelmyz, Bound; Huedhyz, Swoln."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">If I understand him, Lhuyd seems to be saying that the historic -ys is either [Ez], [Iz] or [aZ]</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">and it does not seem possible to see why one is used rather than one of the others.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Since the -ek ending in Late Cornish is either -ak or -ok, it would seem that reduced -ek can</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">acquire u-colouring. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">There are problems with you suggested spellings. The form <nowothow> is attested seven times. The plural</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">of bedneth, baneth is <bannothow> and of molleth <mollothow>. Are you therefore</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">suggesting that we write *<nowoth>, *<bednoth> and *<mollothow>?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Nicholas</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>On 24 Jul 2008, at 09:54, Jon Mills wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>I agree that Cornish has three reduced vowels: schwa, i-schwa and u-schwa. This is an areal feature that Cornish shares with English. These are allophones of various other vowels. They are not allophones of the same vowel. When an affix is added to a word, the stress shifts to the new penultimate syllable and the syllable containing the previously unstressed schwa becomes stressed. This allows us to identify the phoneme of which the schwa in question is an allophone.</DIV>
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<DIV>In order to simplify, in the following examples, I have written all reduced vowels as [@]. <BR>[lag@s] > Ordinalia: 'lagasow'; BM: 'lagasek'; Jordan: 'lagasowe'; Kerew: 'lagagow'. Schwa is an allophone of /a/. We should write 'lagas'.<BR>[ben@n] > PA: 'benenas'; Ordinalia: 'benenes', 'venenes', 'vynynes'; BM: 'benenes'. Schwa is an allophone of /e/. We should write 'benen'.<BR>[gorhem@n] > PA: 'woromynnys'; BM: 'gorhemynnes'. Schwa is an allophone of /I/. We should write 'gorhemmyn'.<BR>[gal@s] > Ordinalia: 'gallogek', 'gallosek', 'galosek' ; BM: 'galosek', 'gallosek'. Schwa is an allophone of /o/. We should write 'gallos'.<BR>[prof@s] > PA: 'brofusy'; Ordinalia: 'profugy'. Schwa is an allophone of /u/. We should write 'profus'.<BR>Thus we see that the reduced vowels are allophones of /a/, /e/, /I/, /o/ and /u/.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "nicholas williams" <NJAWILLIAMS@GMAIL.COM><BR>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <SPELLYANS@KERNOWEK.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] redistribution of <I>and <Y><BR>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:12:25 +0100<BR><BR><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">I have discussed the question of schwa to some degree in <I>Cornish Today</I>.</SPAN></FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">It seems that in MC there were three unstressed vowels: schwa, i-coloured schwa</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">and u-coloured schwa (in gallus and arluth, for example). </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">In LC all three had a tendency to fall together. One finds Cornowok in 1572</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">and Frenkock in NBoson. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Flehes x 14, flehys x 42, and flehas x 11 are all attested in Middle Cornish, which</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">seems to me to indicate that schwa and i-schwa are allophones, perhaps conditioned</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">by the following consonant or by vocalic harmony. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">The word for 'one' is onen x 12, onan x 52, onon x 9 and onyn x 90 in Middle Cornish.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Baskerville size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">In Late Cornish the verbal adjective in -ys is not infrequently spelt with <as>, <az>:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">e.g. <I>En Termen ez passiez thera </I><B><I>Trigaz</I></B><I> en St. Levan</I> JCH § 1.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Moreover in Middle Cornish itself <I><B>benegas</B></I> 'blessed' and <I><B>malegas</B></I> 'accursed' are common (x 60 and 10 respectively).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">In Late Cornish forms like crenjah and venjah seem to suggest that schwa in auslaut had</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">a low allophone close to [a].</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">We write arlůth with <ů> in KS but in Late Cornish it appears as <arleth> 54 times! And as <arlith> 10 times.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Nicholas Boson writes <arlyth> once.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">The word profus 'prophet' is exclusively Middle Cornish, since it is replaced by profet in Tregear and LC. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">The attested spellings are: <profus> 13, <profes> 1, <profys> 1, <profos> 3.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><eglos> occurs 22 times in MC and LC, <egglos> 197 times (mostly in Tregear who had a special interest in the church).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><egles> occurs twice in Late Cornish and <eglez> three times. <egglys> occurs once in Sacrament an Alter.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">The word cafus, cafos is written <cafes> twice in Origo Mundi.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">The collapse of unstressed vowels into schwa is by the way an indication that the prosodic shift has occurred by the time</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">of the earliest MC texts i(late fourteenth and early fifteenth centuries). The specification of the SWF allows for</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">a pre-shift phonology with half-length and pure unstressed vowels. This again is an attempt to salvage the underlying phonology of KK.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">It is inauthentic as well as being irrelevant, since nobody uses it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5>Any attempt, however, to distinguish unstressed -en, -es from -yn, -ys is, I think, doomed to failure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5>We have schwa, i-schwa and u-schwa (if I may be allowed to use the terms) and that is all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=5>And all three are by the Late Cornish period (if not before) allophones of the same phoneme.</FONT></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>On 23 Jul 2008, at 14:18, Craig Weatherhill wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV>I would support Nicholas's view here. The place name Langostentyn is <BR>Langustentyn, Langustenstyn and Legostentyn in the C14. A final -in <BR>creeps in in 1447, followed by -en (1501) and -on (1574 twice) and -n <BR>again in 1574. The saint's name is S. Constantinus (pure Latin) in <BR>1086, 1284, 1287, 1291; then Costentyne 1468, Costentyn 1441. Only in <BR>the C16 does -in appear (note the lack of "saint" in these examples).<BR><BR>For Constantine Bay, we have only two Cornish examples: Egloscontantyne <BR>c1525, and Constenton 1568.<BR><BR>Please note, too, that there is a place-name element <kegyn>, "ridge" <BR>(Pengegon), cognate with W. cegin. To avoid confusion, I would <BR>recommend that "kitchen" is represented by <kegen>.<BR><BR>On the subject of <au> I find that I have to revise my advice to Jon. <BR>Nance gives chons, chonsya where I would expect to find chauns, chaunsya <BR>(chaunssya?). It looks as though most of the <au> words are loan words, <BR>although they extend to Celtic personal (saint's) names such as Maunan, <BR>Maugan and Maudet.<BR><BR>Craig<BR><BR><BR>nicholas williams wrote:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">form <Constantinus> in stage directions. To attempt to distinguish <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">will merely look like an attempt to salvage a feature of KK, which was <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">brentyn, melyn, gyllyn, etc.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">gyllyn, gyllys, gyllyns but gylli! <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">dictionaries <˙> ~ <ë>) where Middle Cornish has /I/ and /I:/, but <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">*SWF <kegyn>; RMC /”kegin/, RLC /”keg@n/;*<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">*SWF <tir>; RMC /ti:r/, RLC /ti:r/;*<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">*SWF <bys> ~ <bes>; RMC */bI:z/ = [bi:z] ~ [bIz] ~ [beIz] etc., RLC <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:31 PM*<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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