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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT face=Gentium
size=3>Michael Everson quoted and wrote:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt"><FONT face=Gentium>“</FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Gentium
size=3>At 09:40 +0200 2008-07-23, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<BR>>I would like to
hear everyone's opinions on the <BR>>following idea for redistributing
<y> and <i> in <BR>>the SWF. I would write <i> where bother
Late and <BR>>Middle Cornish have /i/ and /i:/, and write <y> <BR>>~
<e> (in dictionaries <ÿ> ~ <ë>) where Middle <BR>>Cornish
has /I/ and /I:/, but Late Cornish has <BR>>/e/ and /e:/.<BR><BR>I can't see
how this would work. In the first <BR>place, in stressed syllables, we have [i:]
words <BR>(like <mis> and we have [e:] words (like <res> <BR>and we
have [I] words like <bys>. No problem <BR>here: we write <i> and
<e> and <y> for these. We <BR>also have in stressed syllables words
[i:] and <BR>[e:] alternate; no problem here: we write <ÿ> and
<BR><ë> regularly.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt"><FONT face=Gentium>”<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>So Michael
would write:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bÿs</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bës</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>The vowels
are all differentiated but we need to use a diacritic that SWF folks apparently
won’t accept.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>We need to
ask them again, as we have identified this to be the best way to
go.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Whereas the
current SWF writes:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Here there
are no diacritics. However, <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">y</B>> is short in <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B> whilst the <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">y</B>> in <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B> is
long.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Whereas the
SWF should logically write:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>This is
because the <<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> in <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B> is long and the rule is that <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> is regularly long. However, this
was dismissed earlier on this forum as “too great a change” to the SWF, and you
cannot then distinguish <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mis</B> type
words from <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B> type
words.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Whereas Dan
would write:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Here there
are no diacritics (except in dictionaries). It would be easy to change all
<<STRONG>y</STRONG>> to <<STRONG>e</STRONG>> if desired (but not
visa versa). However the <<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>>
in <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mis</B> is long whilst the <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> in <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B> is short. We would therefore need
to distinguish these in some other way.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>We could, of
course, mark the long vowel with a diacritical mark, e.g. <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mís</B> & <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B>.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>However, if
<<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> is to be regularly long
before <<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">s</B>> then a second
option would be better, i.e. <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mis</B>
& <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bìs</B>. This gives my
suggestion:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bìs</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Would the SWF
folks accept <<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">ì</B>> or would this
be seen as just the same thing as using <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">ÿ</B>>/<<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">ë</B>> in the other type of
words?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium><U>If no
diacritics at all are allowed</U>, we need to respell the short vowel or respell
the following consonant. I cannot think of a suitable respelling for short
<<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> (other than <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">y</B>>) so we need to respell the
following consonant. We could write <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mis</B> & <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">biz</B>, with the rule that <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> is short before <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">z</B>>. This gives my second
suggestion:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mis</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">biz</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium>Unfortunately, there would be rather a lot of short <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> to take care of in these sorts of
ways. We might therefore be better off respelling the <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">mis</B> type words instead. Long <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> could be re-spelt <<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">ij</B>> for example, with the rule that
<<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">i</B>> is short and
<<STRONG>ij</STRONG>> is long. This gives my third
suggestion:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">mijs</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">res</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bis</B>, <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bys</B>/<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">bes</B>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p><FONT face=Gentium
size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Gentium>Regards,<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0pc 0pc 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Gentium>Andrew J.
Trim<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>