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<br><div><div>On 25 Jul 2008, at 11:32, Michael Everson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At 11:23 +0100 2008-07-25, Eddie Climo wrote:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I believe that KS will spell the preposition which does not cause</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">mutation as "in". This is a very common spelling for this preposition</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in the traditional texts -- nothing inauthentic about it, though it</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">may be unfamiliar to users of Nancian Cornish because he didn't use</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the letter "i" at all (an inauthentic choice of Nance's). This also</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">has the advantage of increasing the use of "i" which can please some</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">RLC users. (Folks, I do NOT believe that "we hate the letter y" is a</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">mantra amongst RLC users. Too much can be made of this.) And KS will</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">spell the adverbial particle which does cause mutation as "yn".</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I disagree; and it's not your sole decision. We're trying to work to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">consensus here.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Why do you disagree? I've presented an argument for using <i> in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">initial position, and for distinguishing <in> and <yn>. You've only<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">said you disagree.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I disagree with having 2 spellings for UC/R 'yn', solely on the basis of the word's 2 functions. I've given the example of 4 different versions of UC 'co_k', with which you found fault, as they were not "high-frequency function words".</div><div><br></div><div>I then cited the *7* different forms of the high-frequency function word UC 'a', to which we might add a small selection of others from my meagre knowledge of Cornish (with a little help from Nance!):</div><div>- - - - - - - -</div><div><ow> interj. ho! Hullo!</div><div><ow 4> present participle verbal particle</div><div><ow 3> poss. adj. my</div><div>- - - - - - - -</div><div><hy_> pron. she, it</div><div><hy_ 3> poss. adj. her, its</div><div><div>- - - - - - - -</div><div><y_> pron. they</div><div><y_ 2> poss.pron. their</div><div><div>- - - - - - - -</div><div><y> she</div><div><y 5> indef. verbal particle</div><div><y'> prep. (contraction of 'yn')</div><div><div>- - - - - - - -</div><div><br></div></div><div>Most are high-frequency function words, and I daresay there are others. If you advocate 2 spellings for UC 'yn', Michael, to be consistent you would need::</div><div>-- 7 spellings of 'a'</div><div>-- 3 spellings of 'ow'</div><div>-- 2 spellings of 'hy'</div><div>-- 2 spellings of long-vowel 'y', and</div><div>-- 3 spellings of short-vowel 'y'</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest that it would be wrong to attempt so many different spellings with these words, and therefore equally wrong to suggest it with 'yn'.</div><div><br></div><div>These homonyms are already easy enough to distinguish in writing from their semantic context, from their syntax and from the mutation state they cause (the latter, I suspect, is one of the historical reasons for having mutations in the Celtic languages in the first place!).</div><div><br></div><div>Your proposed 'solution' is, I'm afraid, applied to a non-existent problem. It adds unnecessary complexity to the language, and I don't think it will find widespread acceptance.</div><div><br></div><div>What's so hard to accept in Jon's observation to the effect that 'yn' is 1 word that behaves in 2 ways? Let's consider the E. cognate to UC/R 'yn', and a few of the many roles <in> can play in English (my OED lists about 40!):</div></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: SlimbachITC; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div>-- positional preposition: 'He is in Truro'</div><div>-- present participle particle (well, almost!): 'He is in a deep sleep' = 'He is sleeping deeply'</div><div>-- abbreviation: 'inches' > 'in.'</div><div>-- chemical suffix: 'fibre' > 'fibrin'; 'penicillium' > 'penicillin'</div><div>-- directional prefix: 'flow' > 'inflow'</div><div>-- adverbial prefix: 'deed' > 'indeed'</div><div><div>-- neg. prefix: 'decisive' > 'indecisive'</div><div><br></div></div><div>There we have 7 different (some high-frequency) functions, 1 spelling, and ZERO confusion.</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Eddie Foirbeis Climo</div><div>- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- -</div><div>Dres ethom akennow byner re bons lyeshes</div><div><i>Accenti non multiplicanda praeter necessitatem</i></div></span></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br></body></html>