<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">On 26 Jul 2008, at 10:35, nicholas williams wrote:</span></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"></span></font></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Why *Jowann rather than Jowan?</span></font></font></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Soweth, my a wruk y gamlytherenna. Drok yu genef!</span></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">.In UC this would be written <menydhyow> and indeed it is so written.</span></font></span></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Re'm barf! Camlytherennans aral. Drok dobyl yu genef!</span></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">The word nans is used in adverbial phrases (war nans, yn nans) in the texts. It is never used to mean 'valley'.</span></font></font></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Upon checking, I find that in Craig Wetherill's various writings on Cornish place-names, he cites amongst others <i>Trenant, Trenans, Nant Gover, Nant Wedhen, Nans Bčrres, Nans Kersys, Nans Fenten.</i> It's difficult to see what else this means other than 'valley'; and I know of no good reason to reject a straightforward toponymic lexeme like this for everyday use in revived Cornish.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">It's hard to imagine traditional Cornish speakers restricting the use of the word nans/nant exclusively to toponyms and adverbial phrases, and all refusing to use it as a simple noun (especially as there's no such restriction on its cognates in Welsh and Breton). But, even if they did, nans/nant=valley is a perfectly respectable lexeme to add to the revived lexicon.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">Be that as it may, for E.<i> 'valley</i>', Nance's 1938 dictionary gives '<i>nans</i>, anciently <i>nant</i>', and Williams' 2006 one gives '<i>nans; valy'. </i>And when two of the greatest lexicographers of the Revival agree, who am I to differ? (. . . especially as it's UC/UCR that I'm learning!)</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">:-)</span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">Moreover, <i>'valy'</i> would not have given the bilingual 'triple entendre' of <i>*nancily</i>, a tawdry <i>gwary war eryow</i><i> </i>which I was unable to resist.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I'm glad you appear to find no fault with the linguistic arguments of the posting, however.</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Eddie</span></font></div></div></body></html>