<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Although not in the earliest of manuscripts PA is the oldest continuous text in Middle Cornish.</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">It is the only one that has an example of the t-preterite (pan gemert kyg a werhas PA 3).</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">PA is also the only text in which the pluperfect is used as a pluperfect rather than a conditional.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">It is not astonishing therefore that the plural nanssow occurs in PA.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">By the sixteenth century, when the original version of CW was written, nans had probably been replaced</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">in speech by valy.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Nicholas</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville"><br></font><div><div>On 28 Jul 2008, at 12:46, Jon Mills wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Lhuyd (AB: 4c) includes "†Nans, A Valley" amongst a list of words in the Vocabularium Cornicum "which are now disus'd by the Cornish, but still understood by the Welsh." </div> <div>Jon<br></div> <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<br>From: "nicholas williams" <njawilliams@gmail.com><br>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans@kernowek.net><br>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] 'Valley' in Cornish<br>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:32:14 +0100<br><br><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">I notice that Neil gives in his gerlevran:</span></font> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><br></span></font></div> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">valley(n): (usu) rôsh (Lh,WG) var rôz (WG cv PN rose)-ow; (Biblical or major) vali(m)-s, e.g. en Vali</span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Ebron, deveri (WJ); (arch) nans(m)pl nanjow</span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><br></span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">He considers vali to be a major or biblical valley and nans to be archaic.</span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><br></span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Nicholas</span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 10px Arial"><b><br></b></div></div> <div> <div> <div>On 28 Jul 2008, at 11:38, Jon Mills wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>In PA we find</div> <div>"In erna zen menyzyow<br>why a ergh warnough coze<br>yn ketella an nanssow<br>wy a bys ragas cuthe".</div> <div>Jon<br><br></div> <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<br>From: "nicholas williams" <njawilliams@gmail.com><br>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans@kernowek.net><br>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <y>, <i>, etc<br>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:49:10 +0100<br><br><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Apart from the toponym Valy Ebron there are, as far as I am aware, no examples in the texts of valy 'valley'. There are no examples of nans 'valley' in the texts either.</span></font> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Since the author of CW wrote Valy Ebron for the new toponym Valy of Hebron, it seems to me (without further evidence) that his ordinary word for 'valley' was valy.</span></font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">....</span></font></div> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"><br></span></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Baskerville"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">Nicholas</span></font></div></span></font></div></div> <div><br></div> <div>_____________________________________<br>Dr. Jon Mills,<br>School of European Culture and Languages,<br>University of Kent<br></div></i></y></spellyans@kernowek.net></njawilliams@gmail.com></blockquote><i></i><br>-- <div>Be Yourself @ mail.com!<br>Choose From 200+ Email Addresses<br>Get a <b>Free</b> Account at <a href="http://www.mail.com/Product.aspx" target="_blank">www.mail.com</a>!</div>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net<br></spellyans@kernowek.net></njawilliams@gmail.com></blockquote><p><br><br></p><pre>_____________________________________
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