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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Ken wheg, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Thanks so much for
going through the effort of making this presentable to us. Interesting
discussion, ignorance and enlightenment next to each other… fun<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Ken MacKinnon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:37
AM<br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nicholas and friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Spellyans group may have come across reference to
this issue. I attach downloads herewith and give references below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Last week's 'Who Do You Think You Are?' programme
featured David Mitchell, who traced his ancestry in the 19th century to
sheep-farmers in Sutherland (who had supplanted the original population), and
to a parish minister in Sleat. This was accompanied by a blog
on the Guardian website which looked as if it had been done at the same
time - and maybe also in Sleat. ( or maybe Loch Ness with monster and
what looks like fishing boats added.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>This has caused some offence in Sleat where he was
hospitably treated and and considerably assisted with local facilities.
The blog can be accessed on:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><span class=MsoHyperlink><u><font color=blue>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/interactive/2009/jul/06/david-mitchell-soap-box</font></u></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I was unable to locate a transcript of this blog - so
have attempted such myself ( + / - ) which may be of interest to colleagues -
and please find attached herewith.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>If any one feels moved to correct any inaccuracies in
the trnascript or fill in gaps please feel free to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The blog attracted 168 comments - which also please
find copy herewith attached for info. These range
across the usual points and arguments pro and anti - and may be valuable as a
representative sample of these in contemporary discourse. None however
focuses on what are the actual present-day causes of reduction of numbers of
Gaelic speakers. There is some recourse to what is
'natural' and what is 'obvious'. ( It is of course also 'obvious'
that the sun rotates around the earth once a day, and that the earth is
flat.) There are some interesting points made about 'natural
selection'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am not suggesting that any of this actually merits
any specific reply. But it is interesting to note the range of
public comment on these issues. We do need to understand that these
ideas are in circulation, and maybe to take them into account in appropriate
ways.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I hope that this may be of interest - an Ken ken<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new
e-mail addresses:-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</a><br>
and also at:-<br>
<a href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be
used.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<br>
Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<br>
The Black Isle, by Dingwall,<br>
Ross-shire IV 7 8HX<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Scotland</st1:country-region> <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tel: 01349 - 863460<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:njawilliams@gmail.com" title="njawilliams@gmail.com">nicholas
williams</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net" title="spellyans@kernowek.net">Standard
Cornish discussion list</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:40 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
[Spellyans] trigys with long or short forms of bos<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=5 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>Me a drig [My a dryg] for 'I
live' is common in the revived language and appears to derive from Nance. It is
without warrant in the texts.</span></font><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>In traditional
Cornish ev a drig means 'he will remain, he will dwell', e.g. ha
nena ny a dryg in du ha gans du, ha du a dryg innan ny 'and then we will dwell
in God and with God, and God will dwell in us' TH 30</span></font></span><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>y vabe cayne in
paynes brase ef a dryg bys venytha 'his sone Cain, in great torment he
will live for ever' CW 2031-32</span></font></span><font size=1
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>'He lives in that
house' is rendered in Cornish as yma va trigys i'n chy-na. Notice that long
forms of the verb bos are more common with trigys than are short forms, and
this is not confined to Late Cornish:</span></font></span><font size=1
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>LONG</span></font></span><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>vyth na wrella
compressa ow tus vs trygys ena <st1:place w:st="on">OM</st1:place> 1424-25</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>punscie y tus mar
calas vs trygys agy the’th wlas <st1:place w:st="on">OM</st1:place> 1482-83</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-7.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'>omma yth ese tregys avel hermyt in guelfos BM 1963-64</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'>fatell ra eff in tyrmyn ay vicitacyon agan humbrag ny in ban then
wlas vgy y vab Jhesus crist inhy tregys TH 11a</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>En termen ez passiez
thera trigaz en St. Levan dean ha bennen JCH §1</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>SHORT</span></font></span><font
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Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>tregys off lemen heb
wov berth in castel an dynas sur in peddre BM 2209-11.</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>For 'I live in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cornwall</st1:place></st1:City>', then, either
Yth esoma trigys in Kernow or Trigys ov in Kernow are admissible.</span></font></span><font
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'>Nicholas</span></font></span><font
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