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<DIV>Dan,</DIV>
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<DIV>Further to my recent post, I know of - but have not actually read - Iwan
Wmffre's Handbook. I should very much like to do so - and would appreciate
access details. I have made his acquaintance personally when in Belfast a
few years ago - and have had a long-standing acquaintanceship with his father
and much respect for his work on Breton.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Ken</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also
at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by
Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7 8HX<BR>Scotland UK</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tel: 01349 - 863460</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=daniel@ryan-prohaska.com
href="mailto:daniel@ryan-prohaska.com">Daniel Prohaska</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">'Standard Cornish discussion list'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] <l>,
<ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter (1576)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken,
<BR>I’m not familiar with Seamus Ó Coileán’s thesis at all and would very much
be interested in it. Where can I find it? Have you read Iwan Wmffre’s
“Handbook of Late Cornish”? Also very
interesting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Dan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><FONT color=navy
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Ken
MacKinnon<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
July 22, 2010 11:24 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>A
gowetha,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I wonder whether any professional empirical
studies have ever been undertaken on the remaining 'native speakers' of
the <st1:place w:st="on">West Penwith</st1:place> dialect. People like
Nance have urged that this dialect is the nearest thing we have to the sound
system of late Cornish. That said, it surely deserves some serious
study, and I wonder whether there has been any serious proposal to research
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>In 1990 Seamus O Coilean successfully
presented a BA (Hons) by Independent Study thesis at the Polytechnic (now
University) of <st1:place w:st="on">East London</st1:place>, entitled 'Late
Cornish - an accurate reconstruction for the sound system'. I have read
this and I wonder whether others are familar with it. It presented some
interesting and original ideas, and I would be interested to know what
others may have thought about it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>- Ken<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband
with new e-mail addresses:-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><A
href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>My former e-mail addresses are no longer
able to be used.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage,
Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7
8HX<BR><st1:country-region w:st="on">Scotland</st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Tel: 01349 -
863460<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=j.mills@email.com
href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Thursday, July 22,
2010 8:52 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Re: [Spellyans]
<l>, <ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter
(1576)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Is this
one example the only evidence for "the survival of geminate [ll] in the St.
Ives dialect of Anglo-Cornish well into the 20th century" (Bock 2010: 3)? Or
is there further evidence?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Ol an
gwella (or should that be gwelha?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Jon<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>_____________________________________ <BR>Dr. Jon Mills,
<BR><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">European</st1:PlaceName> Culture and Languages, <BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Kent</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Craig Weatherhill
<craig@agantavas.org><BR>To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName>
<spellyans@kernowek.net><BR>Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:00
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <l>, <ll>, and <lh> in
Sacrament an Alter (1576)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=1
face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 6pt"
lang=EN-GB>I must have mentioned the late Cecil Roberts of Sennen Cove, who
would pronounce the LL of "Scilly' as though he were saying "still life".
Dick Gendall heard and noted him, too. Terry George, also of Sennen Cove and
the former lifeboat cox'n, pronounces "enys" (as in Enys Dodnan) as "ain-ez"
("ai" as in "air"). <BR> <BR>Craig <BR> <BR> <BR>On
21 Gor 2010, at 17:18, Ray Chubb wrote: <BR> <BR>> I think one
thing we can be sure of is that the St Ives > pronunciation certainly did
not come from English. <BR>> <BR>> On 21 Gor 2010, at 12:24,
<A href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> Comments please on Bock's recent
paper. <BR>>> <A
href="http://homepage.univie.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf"
target=_blank>http://homepage.<FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">univie</SPAN></FONT>.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf</A> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Ol an gwella, <BR>>> Jon <BR>>>
_____________________________________ <BR>>> Dr. Jon
Mills, <BR>>> School of European Culture and
Languages, <BR>>> University of Kent <BR>>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>>> Spellyans
mailing list <BR>>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR>> <BR>>
Ray Chubb <BR>> <BR>> Portreth <BR>>
Kernow <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>> Spellyans
mailing list <BR>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Craig
Weatherhill <BR> <BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>Spellyans
mailing list <BR><A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR><A
href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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mailing
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