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<DIV>Ewan,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hilary goes on pilgrimages from time to time to places like Santiago de
Compostella and does work at places like the University of
Bethlehem. So she may well be way for a bit 'dando paseo por el
camino'.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Her contact details are:- </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Old Kiln, Port Navas, Falmouth, Cornwall TR11 5RJ</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>01326 - 340562</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So far as I know she is not on e-mail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sowena dha - Ken</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also
at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by
Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7 8HX<BR>Scotland UK</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tel: 01349 - 863460</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=butlerdunnit@ntlworld.com
href="mailto:butlerdunnit@ntlworld.com">ewan wilson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">Standard Cornish discussion list</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] <l>,
<ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter (1576)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Dear Folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Sadly my old rattle-bones of a computer just
won't open up the link to this fascinating topic of /l/ /ll/ and /lh/
sounds. Is the last one related in any way to Welsh /ll/? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>References to both the late Seamus O'Coilean's
Cornish thesis and Iwan Wmffre's Handbook are most tantalising. It's made
me go back and look again at my cherished copy of Tavas A Ragadazow though I
had made the decision to get seriously stuck into Unified once and for
all while awaiting the finalised version of the SWF which I
believe is due to be hammered out ( or finely honed?!) in 2012. I'm not sure
why folk keep saying learning LC isn't easy. It strikes me as a deal
simpler than dear, old UC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Incidentally, in pursuit of disciplined
acquisition I had also decuded to do Hilary Shaw's course but I got no reply.
Anyone have her current contact details? I'll include stamp for reply this
time! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Pup bennath! ( ben nath?!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Ewan.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=daniel@ryan-prohaska.com
href="mailto:daniel@ryan-prohaska.com">Daniel Prohaska</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">'Standard Cornish discussion list'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] <l>,
<ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter (1576)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken,
<BR>I’m not familiar with Seamus Ó Coileán’s thesis at all and would very
much be interested in it. Where can I find it? Have you read Iwan Wmffre’s
“Handbook of Late Cornish”? Also very
interesting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Dan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Ken
MacKinnon<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
July 22, 2010 11:24 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy" lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>A
gowetha,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I wonder whether any professional
empirical studies have ever been undertaken on the remaining 'native
speakers' of the <st1:place w:st="on">West Penwith</st1:place>
dialect. People like Nance have urged that this dialect is the nearest
thing we have to the sound system of late Cornish. That said, it
surely deserves some serious study, and I wonder whether there has been any
serious proposal to research it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>In 1990 Seamus O Coilean successfully
presented a BA (Hons) by Independent Study thesis at the Polytechnic (now
University) of <st1:place w:st="on">East London</st1:place>, entitled 'Late
Cornish - an accurate reconstruction for the sound system'. I have
read this and I wonder whether others are familar with it. It
presented some interesting and original ideas, and I would be
interested to know what others may have thought about
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>- Ken<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband
with new e-mail addresses:-<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><A
href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>My former e-mail addresses are no longer
able to be used.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage,
Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7
8HX<BR><st1:country-region w:st="on">Scotland</st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Tel: 01349 -
863460<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=j.mills@email.com
href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Thursday, July 22,
2010 8:52 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Re: [Spellyans]
<l>, <ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter
(1576)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Is
this one example the only evidence for "the survival of geminate [ll] in
the St. Ives dialect of Anglo-Cornish well into the 20th century" (Bock
2010: 3)? Or is there further evidence?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Ol an
gwella (or should that be gwelha?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Jon<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>_____________________________________ <BR>Dr. Jon Mills,
<BR><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">European</st1:PlaceName> Culture and Languages, <BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Kent</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Craig Weatherhill
<craig@agantavas.org><BR>To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName>
<spellyans@kernowek.net><BR>Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:00
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <l>, <ll>, and <lh> in
Sacrament an Alter (1576)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=1
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 6pt" lang=EN-GB>I
must have mentioned the late Cecil Roberts of Sennen Cove, who would
pronounce the LL of "Scilly' as though he were saying "still life". Dick
Gendall heard and noted him, too. Terry George, also of Sennen Cove and
the former lifeboat cox'n, pronounces "enys" (as in Enys Dodnan) as
"ain-ez" ("ai" as in
"air"). <BR> <BR>Craig <BR> <BR> <BR>On 21 Gor
2010, at 17:18, Ray Chubb wrote: <BR> <BR>> I think one thing
we can be sure of is that the St Ives > pronunciation certainly did not
come from English. <BR>> <BR>> On 21 Gor 2010, at 12:24,
<A href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> Comments please on Bock's recent
paper. <BR>>> <A
href="http://homepage.univie.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf"
target=_blank>http://homepage.<FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">univie</SPAN></FONT>.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf</A> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Ol an gwella, <BR>>> Jon <BR>>>
_____________________________________ <BR>>> Dr. Jon
Mills, <BR>>> School of European Culture and
Languages, <BR>>> University of Kent <BR>>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>>>
Spellyans mailing list <BR>>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR>> <BR>>
Ray Chubb <BR>> <BR>> Portreth <BR>>
Kernow <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>> Spellyans
mailing list <BR>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Craig
Weatherhill <BR> <BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>Spellyans
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