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<DIV>A Janice wheg,</DIV>
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<DIV>Further to my recent post, another colleague, Dan Prohaska has just
furnished me with a copy . So hope this has not occasioned you any
un-necessary wok!</DIV>
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<DIV>meur ras dhysso-jy - Ken</DIV>
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<DIV>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also
at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.</DIV>
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<DIV>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by
Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7 8HX<BR>Scotland UK</DIV>
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<DIV>Tel: 01349 - 863460</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=janicelobb@tiscali.co.uk
href="mailto:janicelobb@tiscali.co.uk">janicelobb@tiscali.co.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] <l>,
<ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter (1576)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have on my computer a PDF of Late Cornish by Iwan Wmffre
(1998). I don't know if this is the same one as or different from the handbook
you are seeking. Sadly, I can't remember how I acquired it! But it is very
interesting. I could probably email it to anyone who wanted it.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And while I'm here, please can anyone give me examples of the use of
"white" in whatever manifestation meaning "holy" in place names or
texts?</DIV>
<DIV>And does anyone know the customs, etc. associated with White Thursday
(Chewidn) a clear week before Christmas?</DIV>
<DIV>Ol an gwelha!</DIV>
<DIV>Jan<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>----Original Message----<BR>From:
butlerdunnit@ntlworld.com<BR>Date: 22/07/2010 21:21 <BR>To: "Standard
Cornish discussion list"<spellyans@kernowek.net><BR>Subj: Re:
[Spellyans] <l>, <ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Dear Folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Sadly my old rattle-bones of a computer just
won't open up the link to this fascinating topic of /l/ /ll/ and /lh/
sounds. Is the last one related in any way to Welsh /ll/? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>References to both the late Seamus
O'Coilean's Cornish thesis and Iwan Wmffre's Handbook are most
tantalising. It's made me go back and look again at my cherished copy of
Tavas A Ragadazow though I had made the decision to get seriously stuck
into Unified once and for all while awaiting the finalised version of the
SWF which I believe is due to be hammered out ( or finely
honed?!) in 2012. I'm not sure why folk keep saying learning LC isn't
easy. It strikes me as a deal simpler than dear, old UC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Incidentally, in pursuit of disciplined
acquisition I had also decuded to do Hilary Shaw's course but I got no
reply. Anyone have her current contact details? I'll include stamp for reply
this time! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Pup bennath! ( ben nath?!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia>Ewan.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Georgia> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=daniel@ryan-prohaska.com
href="mailto:daniel@ryan-prohaska.com">Daniel Prohaska</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">'Standard Cornish discussion
list'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Spellyans] <l>,
<ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter (1576)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=3 face=Gentium><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Gentium; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken,
<BR>I’m not familiar with Seamus Ó Coileán’s thesis at all and would very
much be interested in it. Where can I find it? Have you read Iwan Wmffre’s
“Handbook of Late Cornish”? Also very
interesting.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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lang=EN-GB>Dan<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Ken
MacKinnon<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
July 22, 2010 11:24 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy" lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>A
gowetha,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I wonder whether any professional
empirical studies have ever been undertaken on the remaining 'native
speakers' of the <ST1:PLACE w:st="on">West Penwith</ST1:PLACE>
dialect. People like Nance have urged that this dialect is the
nearest thing we have to the sound system of late Cornish.
That said, it surely deserves some serious study, and I wonder whether
there has been any serious proposal to research
it.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>In 1990 Seamus O Coilean successfully
presented a BA (Hons) by Independent Study thesis at the Polytechnic (now
University) of <ST1:PLACE w:st="on">East London</ST1:PLACE>, entitled
'Late Cornish - an accurate reconstruction for the sound system'. I
have read this and I wonder whether others are familar with it. It
presented some interesting and original ideas, and I would be
interested to know what others may have thought about
it.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Ken<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband
with new e-mail addresses:-<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><A
href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</A><BR>and also
at:-<BR><A
href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>My former e-mail addresses are no
longer able to be used.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<BR>Ivy Cottage,
Ferintosh,<BR>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,<BR>Ross-shire IV 7
8HX<BR><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">Scotland</ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Tel: 01349 -
863460<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=j.mills@email.com
href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> <A
title=spellyans@kernowek.net
href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Thursday, July
22, 2010 8:52 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> Re: [Spellyans]
<l>, <ll>, and <lh> in Sacrament an Alter
(1576)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Is
this one example the only evidence for "the survival of geminate [ll] in
the St. Ives dialect of Anglo-Cornish well into the 20th century" (Bock
2010: 3)? Or is there further
evidence?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Ol
an gwella (or should that be gwelha?)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Jon<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>_____________________________________ <BR>Dr. Jon Mills,
<BR><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">School</ST1:PLACETYPE> of <ST1:PLACENAME
w:st="on">European</ST1:PLACENAME> Culture and Languages, <BR><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on"><ST1:PLACETYPE w:st="on">University</ST1:PLACETYPE> of
<ST1:PLACENAME
w:st="on">Kent</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Craig Weatherhill
<craig@agantavas.org><BR>To: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">Standard
Cornish discussion list</ST1:PERSONNAME>
<spellyans@kernowek.net><BR>Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:00
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <l>, <ll>, and <lh> in
Sacrament an Alter (1576)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=1
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 6pt" lang=EN-GB>I
must have mentioned the late Cecil Roberts of Sennen Cove, who would
pronounce the LL of "Scilly' as though he were saying "still life". Dick
Gendall heard and noted him, too. Terry George, also of Sennen Cove and
the former lifeboat cox'n, pronounces "enys" (as in Enys Dodnan) as
"ain-ez" ("ai" as in
"air"). <BR> <BR>Craig <BR> <BR> <BR>On 21 Gor
2010, at 17:18, Ray Chubb wrote: <BR> <BR>> I think one
thing we can be sure of is that the St Ives > pronunciation certainly
did not come from English. <BR>> <BR>> On 21 Gor 2010,
at 12:24, <A href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</A>
wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> Comments please on Bock's recent
paper. <BR>>> <A
href="http://homepage.univie.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf"
target=_blank>http://homepage.<FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">univie</SPAN></FONT>.ac.at/albert.bock/archive/l_ll_lh_SA.pdf</A> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Ol an gwella, <BR>>> Jon <BR>>>
_____________________________________ <BR>>> Dr. Jon
Mills, <BR>>> School of European Culture and
Languages, <BR>>> University of Kent <BR>>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>>>
Spellyans mailing list <BR>>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR>> <BR>>
Ray Chubb <BR>> <BR>> Portreth <BR>>
Kernow <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
_______________________________________________ <BR>> Spellyans
mailing list <BR>> <A
href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</A> <BR>>
<A href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net"
target=_blank>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</A> <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Craig
Weatherhill <BR> <BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>Spellyans
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