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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Thank you for this Jon,
I couldn’t agree more. In the absence of native speakers we have to be very
careful about what we are dogmatic about. If there is an inclusive orthographical
solution for RC I believe we should move along that path rather than insist on
reflecting a possible theory that excludes other possibilities orthographically.
The alternation of stressed <dh> v. unstressed <th> would do this
at the expense of inclusiveness. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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j.mills@email.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 19, 2010
12:11 PM</span></font><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>I did not say that we should take Lhuyd's
evidence "as gospel". But I do not think that we should assume that
Lhuyd's testimony is erroneous simply because it does not accord with our own
theories. I suspect that since Lhuyd records <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>nowydh</span></font></i></em> and <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>guironedh</span></font></i></em>, he
may actually have heard these pronunciations, and see no reason to dismiss them
out of hand. Of course we can never be absolutely sure.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ol an gwella<br>
Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>_____________________________________
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Dr. Jon Mills, <br>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">European</st1:PlaceName>
Culture and Languages, <br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
 w:st="on">Kent</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: nicholas williams <njawilliams@gmail.com><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName>
<spellyans@kernowek.net><br>
Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2010 4:40 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] gwiryoneth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:black'>But Lhuyd repeatedly gets the syntax of Cornish wrong on the basis
of Welsh. He writes, for example, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Mî a <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>vev</span></b> <st1:City w:st="on">Kelmez</st1:City></span></i>
<st1:State w:st="on">AB</st1:State>: 222 for `<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Mî
a <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>ve</span></b> kelmez</span></i> and <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>neb <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Pednzhivikio</span></b>
a <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>ryganz</span></b> skrefa ragov lîaz <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>gerrio</span></b> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
 w:st="on">Kernûak</st1:City><span style='font-style:normal'> <st1:State w:st="on">AB</st1:State></span></st1:place><span
style='font-style:normal'>: 222 for </span>neb <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Pednzhivigion</span></b> a <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>ryg</span></b>
skrefa ragov lîaz <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>ger</span></b> Kernûak.</span></i></span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:black'>It would be very easy to cite many other examples from his
Preface.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:black'>Lhuyd may have been at pains to highlight the differences between
Cornish and Welsh, but he didn't always succeed. We cannot therefore take his <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>nowydh</span></i> and <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>guironedh</span></i> for gospel, especially when he also writes <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>noweth</span></i> and <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>guironeth</span></i>.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
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face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:black'>Nicholas</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On 2010 Du 18, at 12:43,
<a href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='background:white'><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>4 Influence of Lhuyd's own Welsh. Though I would not assume this. Lhuyd takes pains to point out the differences between Welsh and Cornish. In fact, the whole purpose of his Archaeologia is to show the similarities and differences between the Celtic languages.</span></span></font></span><span
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