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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>
nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 18, 2010
10:59 PM</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>[s]
falls rather outside this question. It is not a fricative.</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=navy face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>I don't believe that
Lhuyd ever head <i><span style='font-style:italic'>diuedh</span></i>. I believe
the word was either <i><span style='font-style:italic'>dyweth</span></i> or <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>dywe</span></i>':<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>I know you believe it
is, but Lhuyd writes final <<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:
italic'>dh</span></i></b>> several times and at that in the text you argued
yourself was the one he transcribed from actually hearing it. I don’t buy it. I
believe he heard [ˈdɪʊəð] in connected speech and [ˈdɪʊəθ] in pausa. This is
what Lhuyd’s transcription shows. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
font-style:italic'>An <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Duah</span></b> an
dridga Chaptra a Genisis</span></font></i></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>
Kerew</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>An <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Duah</span></b> a an bozvevah Chaptra a Matthew</span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'> Kerew<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>I don’t doubt that
there were speakers who dropped /ð/ entirely, just as they dropped /v/ in this
position.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Notice
also that JBoson writes:</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Pader
an Arleth.</span></font></i></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>An Taz
ny es en Neu. Benigas vo goz Hanou; goz Glasgar doz; goz <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Bonogath</span></b> vos gureys en Aor,</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>pykar
en Neu. Ro dha ni <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>hydhou</span></b> bara ny
peb <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Dydh</span></b>, Gava dha ny a gan Kam, pykar
der govva ny,</span></font></i></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>neb es
<st1:place w:st="on">Kama</st1:place> erbyn ny, en antal ny na dro, byz Gwitha
ny ves a Droag, Rag goz es a Miternans; an</span></font></i></span><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Haesder
ha an Spladn, Bounaz heb <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>diuath</span></b>.
Amen.</span></font></i></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
color=navy face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Georgia;color:navy'>”</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>diuath</span></font></i></b><font color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>. Pausa. <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Amen</span></i></b>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>I find no <dh>
spellings for <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>bonogath</span></i></b>
~ <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>bolungeth</span></i></b>
~ <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>blonogath</span></i></b>
ate all and Tonkin/Pryce’s <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>volyndzhedhek</span></i></b>
may be an invention. Perhaps this word always had /θ/ in Cornish. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>I.e.
with <i><span style='font-style:italic'>th</span></i> after unstressed vowels
in both cases.</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>This is also borne out
by Tregear's spelling <i><span style='font-style:italic'>dewethfa</span></i>
(TH 22a, TH 31a). This resembles the spelling of the English</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>word <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>fethfull</span></i> 'faithful' at TH 8.<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>No. Tregear does not
distinguish between voiced and voiceless <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>th</span></i></b>. He spells them alike. How about <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dalathvas</span></i></b> (45a) then
with expected voiceless [θf]. Or <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>dowethva</span></i></b> in CW 2? Or <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diberthva</span></i></b> in CW 84?
Voiced or voiceless… we don’t know, because the scrbes didn’t distinguish. The
only one who did was Lhuyd. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>And
compare JBoson's</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Mar
menta moaz heb <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>dywath</span></b> <u>dho</u>
bew</span></font></i></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Gwitha</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'> dek
gurhemminadow Dew</span></font></i></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>.</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Here <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>th</span></i> is voiceless and <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>dh</span></i> is voiced.<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Do you really suggest
that <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>th</span></i></b>
in <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dywath</span></i></b>
and <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dh</span></i></b> in
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dho</span></i></b> would
have been separately articulated? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Or
compare Pryce's</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Heb <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>dalathe</span></b> na <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>duathe</span></b></span></font></i></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>
— Without beginning or end.</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Same final segment
-athe. <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Dalathe</span></i></b>
certainly contains a voiceless final. So I assume does <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>duathe</span></i></b>.<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Pryce is extremely
unreliable. See also the similar phrase in CW above.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Or
look at Pender's:</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Me rig
fanja guz Lether zithen lebma, buz nag erra termen dem de screffa du straft
arta:</span></font></i></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Rag
nag ez buz lebban <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>duath</span></b> dem dro
d’an hollan kear, maras tha Dieu tha augutti ull gwerres; ma</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>owne
du vee ma <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>duath</span></b> do nisau blethan
dro d’an Hern, nages prize veeth es moase <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>whath</span></b></span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>ragt’angi;
an hern gwave vedn geele droeg d’an hern have, rag ma dro da deux mill Hosket <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>whath</span></b></span></font></i></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>in
Falmeth, gwerres ha de boas gwerres; ha mouns screffa inna warbedden ni.</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Memto
Orlenna {Na <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gwitha</span></b> Hern ree pell</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>{Ken
Gwarra; rag prijse da eu gwell</span></font></i></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>{<u>Adheworth</u><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b>Newlyn, e’n Blew Paul,</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>on
22ves mys Est, 1711<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></i></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Yes, and I see he
writes <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>blethan</span></i></b>,
too…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>The
group which we spell <i><span style='font-style:italic'>dhv</span></i> is
usually <thv> in Tregear, i.e. in <i><span style='font-style:italic'>gothvas</span></i>,
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>esethva</span></i>, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>wethvas</span></i>.</span></font></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Similarly <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>clathva</span></i>, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>lathva</span></i>
occur in TH. Whereas <i><span style='font-style:italic'>dallathfas</span></i>
has <i><span style='font-style:italic'>thf</span></i>. </span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>I take it that <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>dewethfa</span></i> and clathva have different
consonant clusters, the first being voiceless and the second voiced.</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>In which case <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>dewethfa</span></i> is voiceless; and this is because
the final segment in the simplex <i><span style='font-style:italic'>deweth</span></i>
is voiceless.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>See <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dalathvas</span></i></b> above (TH
45a).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>George
spells the word for 'pity' as <i><span style='font-style:italic'>truedh</span></i>.
But Lhuyd doesn't:</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Nag ez
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>triuath</span></b> veth do vi </span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>— I do not at all pity AB: 244c.<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>John Boson spells it <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>triuadh</span></i></b> although
Lhuyd whose writing Boson knew write <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>triụath</span></i></b>. Surely he wrote what he heard…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>And
compare the following two englynyon from Lhuyd's lament for William III </span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Lavar
lemmyn ha Dew pyza</span></font></i></span><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Rhag
Gwlaz Kernow, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>triwath</span></b> gomera:</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Hi <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>thir</span></b> <u>dho</u> <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>gwitha</span></b> hai hredzianz dha.</span></font></i></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>An
Mâhtern William an byzma eskaraz:</span></font></i></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Re vâz
<u>dhan</u> dôr Dew nêv ai kemeraz:</span></font></i></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Kemerez
nei keffryz dhoy <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>triwath</span></b>, hai râz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>The first example
occurs before a consonant and the second in pausa. Tells little, really. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 color=navy
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
color:navy;font-style:italic'>“</span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Notice also how
deceptive Lhuyd's final <dh> is:</span></font></i></span><font size=1
face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>"Permutation of
Letters in the modern Cornish. . . I find dh in the Termina</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>     tion
changed into r; As +Me-|nedh. . . now mener. But this happens very rar</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
Baskerville'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>    
ely" AB: 231a. So he wrote <i><span style='font-style:italic'>menedh</span></i>,
though he heard <i><span style='font-style:italic'>mener</span></i>.</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=navy face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:6.0pt;
font-family:Baskerville;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Nicholas<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Thanks for these
examples, but their not entirely convincing. Doubt remains. It’s quite possible
<<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dh</span></i></b>>
or even /ð/ had many realisations. We also know it was often pronounced [d] initially.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Baskerville><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:Baskerville'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2010 Du 18, at 21:03, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>See Lhuyd’s<span
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