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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>
nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 19, 2010
10:27 AM</span></font><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><i><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
font-style:italic'>Ef</span></font></i></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>
'he' and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>geneff</span></i> 'with me' would
have been a good idea, perhaps.</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>The only trouble is
that final f would be pronounced as [f]. Some UC speakers</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>make
this mistake.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Yes, potential mispronunciation
would be possible, but I believe this could be remedied by careful teaching and
pronunciation guidance. The other possibility is to write <v> in stressed
syllables and <f> as an umbrella graph in unstressed syllables. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Your solution of <ef>
v. <geneff> again means that you are shoving your personal theory of
Cornish voiceless : voiced opposition down people’s throats. I would
think that an umbrella-graph solution would be more inclusive. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>As
for <i><span style='font-style:italic'>dh/th</span></i>, I prefer to interpret
the variation as similar to that of</span></font></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><i><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
font-style:italic'>k/g, p/b, f/v</span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'> rather than some rather ad hoc
pausa/allegro construct.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>We
don't seem to have any other alternation of this kind in Cornish.<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>There was no
distinctive opposition of /g/ : /k/, or /b/ : /p/in unstressed or stressed
final position in the native and assimilated vocabulary. There was with /ð/
: /θ/. This is perhaps why it might have been retained.  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>We
should also remember that Lhuyd apparently never actually visited the far west
of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cornwall</st1:place></st1:City></span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>where
the language was most spoken. According to Derek Williams' map in</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><i><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
font-style:italic'>Prying into Every Hole and Corner</span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'> Lhuyd did not visit anywhere
further west than Camborne.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Lhuyd spent between
three and four months in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cornwall</st1:place></st1:City>.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Most
of the material in AB was garnered from manuscripts and lists sent him.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Which
he then collected and edited in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oxford</st1:place></st1:City>.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Lhuyd clearly did not
understand Cornish syntax and makes the most elementary</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>mistakes
in his Cornish preface. He clearly also often assumed that Cornish was the</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>same
as Welsh. Look for example of his treatment of the autonomous forms</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>of
the verb in Cornish where he gives us such bizarre forms as:</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Ez yzhiz a'n henual 'We
are called'</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Henuassiz vi 'I had
been called'</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Henuer di 'Be thou
named' AB: 247ab.</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Such forms are figments
of the Cambrian imagination.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>They
have no support at all in the Cornish texts.</span></font></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>I
suspect that some at least of his phonological representations are similarly
imaginary.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Nicholas<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>So now we basically
dismiss anything Lhuyd has written as suspect. Fine. If it suits a personal
theory, so be it. If it doesn’t Lhuyd is gladly brought back into
service. I don’t agree with this approach. I’m all for being
critical of the sources, but in this dh/th issue, I cannot help but remain
doubtful.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>On 2010 Du 19, at 08:19, Owen Cook wrote:<span
class=apple-style-span><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>On
a not totally unrelated note, I would really like to see a return</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>to
the use of final <f> for /v/, final <ff> for /f/, which I thought</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>was
one of the most elegant features of an earlier incarnation of KS.</span><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font></span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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