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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Charis SIL"'>Then why does /-s-/ give [z] and /-f-/ give [v], but
not /-θ-/ give [ð]?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Charis SIL"'>I have raised this question before, and nobody has given
a convincing answer. “Because of Lhuyd” is the mantra, but now we see some of
the problems with Lhuyd.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Charis SIL"'>Steve Hewitt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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11.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 22, 2010
12:01 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Spellyans] th/dh</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>It does nothing of the kind. The
use of th for both the voiced and voiceless continuant is in imiatation of
English.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>In English <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>heath</span></i> has a final </span></font></span>[<span
class=apple-style-span><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span style='font-size:
11.5pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>θ] </span></font></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'>but <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Meath</span></i>
has a final </span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Charis SIL"><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>[ð]. </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>The word <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>mouth</span></i> has a voiceless final segment if it
is a noun and a voiced segment if it is a verb.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><i><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic'>Ether</span></font></i></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> has a voiceless medial <th> but <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>either</span></i> has a voiced one.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>There is often no way of telling
from the spelling which is which in English.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>The same is true of Cornish spelling,
which is based on English.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>There is no evidence suggest
that [θ] and  [ð] had fallen together in Cornish.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>Nicholas</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 2010 Du 22, at 10:37, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space><font size=2
face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><span
style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'> </span></font></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>The widespread use of
<th>, <</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>ʒ>
for both surely suggests that they may have fallen together as voiced [ð]
internally (on the analogy of <-s-> [z]; <-f-> [v]); the precise
details of final treatment between stressed and unstressed final syllables to
be worked out, quite possibly [ˈ-ð /</span></font></span><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'> </span></font></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>ˈ--θ] for both inherited /ð/
and /θ/.</span></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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