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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'> nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 22, 2010
10:23 AM</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>But
these are different in origin and in Hiberno-English <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>meat</span></i> is still often [me:t].<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>But according to <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jackson</st1:place></st1:City> in LHEB the
diphthongs in <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>liw</span></i></b>
and <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>byw</span></i></b>
are different in origin as well. <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Jackson</st1:City></st1:place>
gives Brit. *<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>līu̯o</span></i></b>-
(cf. B <i><span style='font-style:italic'>liv</span></i>; W <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>lliw</span></i>, OI <i><span style='font-style:italic'>lí</span></i>)
and *<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>biu̯os</span></i></b>
(cf. B <i><span style='font-style:italic'>bev</span></i>, W <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>byw</span></i>, OI <i><span style='font-style:italic'>béo</span></i>)
respectively. In British there was a distinction of length which was replaced
in Late British with an opposition of vocalic quality. <b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>The
objection to <i><span style='font-style:italic'>iw < iu</span></i> is that
it always represents the same sound as <i><span style='font-style:italic'>yw</span></i>
and is without warrant in the traditional language.<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>What does <<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>yw</span></i>> mean here [iʊ] or [ɪʊ]? Both?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>How do you explain <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Lhuyd <<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>liụ</span></i>> : <<i><span style='font-style:
italic'>bêụ</span></i>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>“</span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><i> is sometimes used
finally in words like <i><span style='font-style:italic'>iudi</span></i>
'Judaea', <i><span style='font-style:italic'>victuri</span></i> 'victory' and
even in <i><span style='font-style:italic'>chi</span></i> 'house' and <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>whi</span></i> 'ye, you'. <iw><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font>is wholly unattested.<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diweth</span></i></b>> (TH 18a)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>If
one respects the scribes one does not introduce alien graphs where they are not
necessary.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diweth</span></i></b>> (TH 18a)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><iw>
was first by George<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font> <font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diweth</span></i></b>> (TH 18a)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>in
imitation of Breton and Welsh,<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diweth</span></i></b>> (TH 18a)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>because
he mistakenly believed that Cornish /iw/ and /Iw/ were separate diphthongs.<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font> <font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>They were, as we can see from the textual attestations, and,
according to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jackson</st1:place></st1:City>,
in origin as well as in outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Lhuyd <<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>liụ</span></i>> : <<i><span style='font-style:
italic'>bêụ</span></i>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>The
SWF and all other speakers (including George himself) pronounce the two
identically.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>I say [lɪʊ] and [bɛʊ].<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy'>“</span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>What
possible reason can there be for using both, when <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>yw</span></i> is both sufficient and traditional?</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>Nicholas<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>diweth</span></i></b>> (TH 18a)
is also part of traditional Cornish. Lhuyd’s <<b><i><span style='font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>iụ</span></i></b>> is basically the same as <<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>iw</span></i></b>>, no different
from his <<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>δ</span></i></b>>
and our writing <<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dh</span></i></b>>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'><<b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>yw</span></i></b>> is sufficient
if you spell <<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>byw</span></i></b>>
as <<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>bew</span></i></b>>.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy'>“</span></font><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Gentium'>On
2010 Du 22, at 03:57, Owen Cook wrote:<br>
English <meet> ~ <meat>. This doesn’t mean they’re<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font>wrong…<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>

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