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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>Not true; that is Standard
Breton, which is a fabrication with little authentic basis in the spoken
language.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>Even though this is not indicated
in the main standard grammars, many dialects of Breton do in fact have a
three-way opposition (the second term –<i><span style='font-style:italic'>éw</span></i>
found in a relatively small number of words).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>This may be checked on ALBB
maps 31 (<i><span style='font-style:italic'>béw</span></i>), 96 (<i><span
style='font-style:italic'>blew</span></i>) and 528 (<i><span style='font-style:
italic'>piw</span></i>):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL";font-style:italic'>piw</span></font></i><font
face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Charis SIL"'> “who”, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>diw</span></i> “2 f.”, <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>liw</span></i> “colour” /iu/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><a
href="http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-528.jpg">http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-528.jpg</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL";font-style:italic'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL";font-style:italic'>béw</span></font></i><font
face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Charis SIL"'> “alive,
living”, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>téw</span></i> “thick, fat” /e̝u/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><a
href="http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-031.jpg">http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-031.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL";font-style:italic'>blew</span></font></i><font
face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Charis SIL"'> “hair”, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>lew</span></i> “league”, <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>rew</span></i> “frost”, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>klew</span></i>
“hear” /ɛ̝o/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><a
href="http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-096.jpg">http://sbahuaud.free.fr/ALBB/Kartenn-096.jpg</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Charis SIL"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Charis SIL"'>Steve Hewitt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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11.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>nicholas williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 24, 2010
2:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Spellyans] iw</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>Breton now has <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>ev</span></i> and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>iv</span></i>.
Welsh has <i><span style='font-style:italic'>iw</span></i>, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>yw</span></i> and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>ew</span></i>;
but <i><span style='font-style:italic'>iw</span></i> and yw<i><span
style='font-style:italic'> </span></i>are identical in SW. In North Welsh <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>yw</span></i> does not contain a high front vowel but
a centralised one.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>George's hypothetic threeway
distinction in Cornish, if it existed, would be unique in Brythonic.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>It doesn't, of course, and the
orthography of the revived language has no business pretending that it does.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>I notice in OCV:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>bleu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'hair'   [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>blew</span></i> PC 484 ]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>ieu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'yoke' [pl. <i><span style='font-style:italic'>ewyow</span></i>
BK 849]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>leu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'lion' [replaced by <i><span style='font-style:italic'>lion</span></i>
in MC]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>reu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'frost' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Reu</span></i>
AB: 250a in a contemporary sentence] </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>leu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'rudder' [not attested in MC]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>biu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'life, flesh' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>agan
bew</span></i> RD 74]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>liu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'colour' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>lyw</span></i>
PA 68c, RD 2101; <i><span style='font-style:italic'>lew</span></i> CW 1051]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>luu</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'host' (in <i><span style='font-style:italic'>luulistri</span></i>)
[<i><span style='font-style:italic'>lu</span></i> PA 163c]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:bold'>duv</span></font></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'black' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>du</span></i>
RD 2101]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>duy</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'god' [metathesised in MC and spelt <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>dew</span></i>, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>du</span></i>,
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>dyw</span></i>; <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>duwaw</span></i> in the plural sometimes]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>ruy</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'king' [unattested in MC]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>uy</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'egg' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>wy</span></i>
BM 3953; <i><span style='font-style:italic'>oy</span></i> BM 3302]</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><b><i><font size=4
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>plui</span></font></i></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Georgia'> 'parish' [<i><span style='font-style:italic'>plu</span></i>
OM 2463; <i><span style='font-style:italic'>plew</span></i> TH 25a].</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>As Jon says, OC, or at least the
Cornish of OCV, has only two diphthongs here: /ew/ and /Iw/.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>KK was conlang and the SWF is also
a conlang.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>I prefer something a little closer
to Cornish.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia'>Nicholas</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 2010 Du 24, at 12:33, <a href="mailto:j.mills@email.com">j.mills@email.com</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><span style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:
0px'>What actually is the evidence for three phonemes /</span></font><font
face="MS Gothic"><span lang=ZH-CN style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>ɪ</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Ʊ</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>/, /i</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Ʊ</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>/ and /ε</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Ʊ</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>/ in Old Cornish? The Vocabularium
Cornicum has "clavus: leu pi obi" [Vocabularium Cornicum: 282], "leo:
leu" [Vocabularium Cornicum: 560] and "color: liu" [Vocabularium
Cornicum: 481]. This suggests two phonemes, /</span></font><font
face="MS Gothic"><span lang=ZH-CN style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>ɪ</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Ʊ</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>/ and /ε</span></font><font
face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode"'>Ʊ</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>/. How is a third phoneme
extrapolated?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ol an gwella,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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