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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Jed,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>There
is no distinction in RLC between the unstressed vowels <<span class=SpellE><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>lebmyn</span></i></b></span>> and <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>kegin</span></i></b></span>>. <span
class=SpellE>Gendall</span> gives both with [ə]. This is why I have postulated
that MC unstressed /ɪ/ lowered and centralised to [ə] while MC unstressed /ə/
was ‘pushed’ further down to [ɐ], but the MC distinction of unstressed /ɪ<span
class=GramE>/ :</span> /ə/ was maintained in LC, with some individual
redistribution. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net
[mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Jed Matthews<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 13, 2011
10:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>]
<span class=SpellE>tavas</span> in early Middle Cornish</span></font><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>A useful distinction is that
the y in <span class=SpellE>lebmyn</span> can be both </span></font><font
face="MS Mincho"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"MS Mincho";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>ɨ</span></font><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> and <strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">ə</font></b></strong>,
but <span class=GramE>the <span class=SpellE>i</span></span> in <span
class=SpellE>kegin</span> cannot be <strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">ə</font></b></strong>.
If the SWF had <span class=SpellE>kegyn</span>, LC speakers might pronounce the
y as <strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">ə</font></b></strong>,
causing incorrect pronunciation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Jed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 13 July 2011 17:14, <span
class=GramE>nicholas</span> williams <<a href="mailto:njawilliams@gmail.com">njawilliams@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>So the SWF has <span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>kelyn</span></i></span>
'puppies', but <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>melin</span></i></span>
'mill', though they rhyme perfectly.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The SWF has <span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>kegin</span></i></span>
'kitchen' but <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>megyn</span></i></span>
'we smoke' though they are an exact rhyme.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On the other hand the SWF
cannot distinguish <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i> 'coast'
from <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i> 'cost',</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nor</span></font></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> can it tell <span class=SpellE><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span> 'snot' from <span class=SpellE><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span> 'pure'. </span></font><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Etymological spellings are
unhelpful.</span></font><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#888888" face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#888888;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Nicholas</span></font><font color="#888888"><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:#888888;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 2011 <span class=SpellE>Gor</span>
13, at 17:04, Michael Everson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br style='mso-special-character:
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><span
style='word-spacing:0px'>The "reason" is claimed to be
"etymological reconstruction" but as often as not it is just a
reflection of distinctions made in Welsh or in Breton, imposed on Cornish by
someone who admired those distinctions. <br style='mso-special-character:
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