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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I agree with you,
as usual, Craig…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] On
Behalf <span class=GramE>Of</span> Craig Weatherhill<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:49 PM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>] <span class=SpellE>tavas</span>
in early Middle Cornish</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>This identification of SWF
faults needs to be listed as a separate<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>feature</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> we can link to, and the list added
to or modified as<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>discussions</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> progress.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>I think <span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>
must now concentrate on this<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>task</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>. We can't leave this any later, as
there are only 2 years to go<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>before</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> the review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Craig<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 14 <span class=SpellE>Gor</span>
2011, at 12:11, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Nicholas wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> “So the SWF has <span
class=SpellE>kelyn</span> 'puppies', but <span class=SpellE>melin</span>
'mill', though they<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> rhyme perfectly.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Yes, this <<span
class=SpellE>i</span>> ~ <y> distribution in the SWF is unfortunate
in<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>places</span>,
especially in unstressed syllables. I would like to see this<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> changed in the SWF. My
preference would be write <<span class=SpellE>i</span>> where both
RMC<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>and</span>
RLC share an <span class=SpellE>i</span>-type vowel ([<span class=SpellE>i</span>ː],
[ɪ]) and spell <y> only in RMC<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>where</span>
RLC has <e> (with the exception of word-final position where<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <y> should be
permitted as in <span class=SpellE>trad.C</span>).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> “On the other hand the SWF
cannot distinguish cost 'coast' from<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>cost
'cost'</span>, nor can it tell <span class=SpellE>pur</span> 'snot' from <span
class=SpellE>pur</span> 'pure'.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Up till now I had
<pour> for ‘snot’ in my dictionary as RLC has<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> [uː] and Nicholas, you
have <<span class=SpellE>pūr</span>> in UCR as did Nance in UC, but<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=SpellE>Lhuyd</span>
writes <<span class=SpellE>pụr</span>> which points towards [<span
class=SpellE>pʊr</span>], which would have to<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> 
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> be SWF *<span
class=SpellE>porr</span> or *purr. KK has <<span class=SpellE>pur</span>>
[<span class=SpellE>pyːr</span>] which, unless it ca be<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> shown to be mistaken,
would give SWF <<span class=SpellE>pur</span>> M [<span class=SpellE>pyːr</span>],
L [<span class=SpellE>piːr</span>].<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> There’s also
Anglo-Cornish dialect <poor> ‘rotten, diseased’<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>but</span>
I don’t know if it’s connected. Latin <<span class=SpellE>pituitarius</span>>
is a bit<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>of</span>
a stretch. Do you know the etymology of <span class=SpellE>Lhuyd’s</span> <<span
class=SpellE>pụr</span>>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Yes, I too would like to
be able to distinguish ‘cost’ from<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> ‘coast’,
‘causeway’ from ‘vagina’.</span></font></span><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> Also SWF <<span class=SpellE>bronn</span>
~<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=SpellE><span
class=GramE>brodn</span></span>> ‘breast’ [<span class=SpellE>brɔn</span>(ː)]
~ [<span class=SpellE>brɔdn</span>], from <<span class=SpellE>bronn</span> ~
<span class=SpellE>brodn</span>><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> ‘rushes’ [<span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>brʊn</span></span><span class=GramE>(</span>ː)]
~ [<span class=SpellE>brʊdn</span>].<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> From:
spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> ]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> On Behalf Of <span
class=GramE>nicholas</span> williams<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13,
2011 6:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Subject: Re: [<span
class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>] <span class=SpellE>tavas</span> in early Middle
Cornish<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> “So the SWF has <span
class=SpellE>kelyn</span> 'puppies', but <span class=SpellE>melin</span>
'mill', though they<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> rhyme perfectly. The SWF
has <span class=SpellE>kegin</span> 'kitchen' but <span class=SpellE>megyn</span>
'we smoke'<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>though</span>
they are an exact rhyme. On the other hand the SWF cannot<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> distinguish cost 'coast'
from cost 'cost', nor can it tell <span class=SpellE>pur</span><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> 'snot' from <span
class=SpellE>pur</span> 'pure'.</span></font></span><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Etymological spellings
are unhelpful.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Nicholas”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> “On 2011 <span
class=SpellE>Gor</span> 13, at 17:04, Michael Everson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> The "reason" is
claimed to be "etymological reconstruction" but as<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>often</span>
as not it is just a reflection of distinctions made in Welsh<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>or</span>
in Breton, imposed on Cornish by someone who admired those<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> distinctions.”</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>>
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>
mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Spellyans@kernowek.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>>
http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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