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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Nicholas
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>“</span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>So the SWF
has <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>kelyn</span></i></span>
'puppies', but <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>melin</span></i></span>
'mill', though they rhyme perfectly.</span></font></span><font color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Yes,
this <<span class=SpellE>i</span>> ~ <y> distribution in the SWF is
unfortunate in places, especially in unstressed syllables. I would like to see
this changed in the SWF. My preference would be write <<span class=SpellE>i</span>>
where both RMC and RLC share an <span class=SpellE>i</span>-type vowel ([<span
class=SpellE>i</span>ː], [ɪ]) and spell <y> only in RMC where
RLC has <e> (with the exception of word-final position where <y>
should be permitted as in <span class=SpellE>trad.C</span>). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>“</span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On the
other hand the SWF cannot distinguish <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i>
'coast' from <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i> 'cost',</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nor can it
tell <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span>
'snot' from <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span>
'pure'.</span></font></span><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>” <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Up
till now I had <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pour</span></i></b>> for ‘snot’
in my dictionary as RLC has [uː] and Nicholas, you have <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pūr</span></i></b></span>> in UCR
as did Nance in UC, but <span class=SpellE>Lhuyd</span> writes <<span
class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pụr</span></i></span>> which points
towards [<span class=SpellE>pʊr</span>], which would have to be SWF *<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>porr</span></i></b></span> or *<b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>purr</span></i></b>. KK has <<span class=SpellE><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pur</span></i></b></span>> [<span class=SpellE>pyːr</span>]
which, unless it ca be shown to be mistaken, would give SWF <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pur</span></i></b></span>> M [<span
class=SpellE>pyːr</span>], L [<span class=SpellE>piːr</span>]. There’s
also Anglo-Cornish dialect <poor> ‘rotten, diseased’ but I
don’t know if it’s connected. Latin <<span class=SpellE>pituitarius</span>>
is a bit of a stretch. Do you know the etymology of <span class=SpellE>Lhuyd’s</span>
<<span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>pụr</span></i></span>>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Yes,
I too would like to be able to distinguish ‘cost’ from ‘coast’,
‘causeway’ from ‘vagina’. Also SWF <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bronn</span></i></b></span> ~ <span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>brodn</span></i></b></span>> ‘breast’
[<span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>brɔn</span></span><span class=GramE>(</span>ː)]
~ [<span class=SpellE>brɔ<sup>d</sup>n</span>], from <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bronn</span></i></b></span> ~ <span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>brodn</span></i></b></span>> ‘rushes’
[<span class=SpellE>brʊn</span>(ː)] ~ [<span class=SpellE>brʊ<sup>d</sup>n</span>].
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dan
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net
[mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><span
class=GramE><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:
Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nicholas</span></font></span><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 13, 2011
6:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>]
<span class=SpellE>tavas</span> in early Middle Cornish</span></font><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>“</span></font></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>So the SWF
has <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>kelyn</span></i></span>
'puppies', but <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>melin</span></i></span>
'mill', though they rhyme perfectly.</span></font></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The SWF
has <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>kegin</span></i></span>
'kitchen' but <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>megyn</span></i></span>
'we smoke' though they are an exact rhyme.</span></font></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On the
other hand the SWF cannot distinguish <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i>
'coast' from <i><span style='font-style:italic'>cost</span></i> 'cost',</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nor can it
tell <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span>
'snot' from <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pur</span></i></span>
'pure'. </span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Etymological
spellings are unhelpful.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Nicholas<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>”</span></font></span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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size=2 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 2011 <span class=SpellE>Gor</span> 13, at 17:04,
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
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"etymological reconstruction" but as often as not it is just a
reflection of distinctions made in Welsh or in Breton, imposed on Cornish by
someone who admired those distinctions.</span></font></span><span
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