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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>There is also Iolo Morgannwg's spurious prophecy of
Taliesin:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hir y bydd Brython, fal Carcharorion,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ym mraint Alltudion Tir SAXONIA,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Eu Ner a folant <span style='background:yellow'>Eu
Hiaith a gadwant<o:p></o:p></span></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow'>Eu Tir a gollant</span><span
lang=EN-GB> ond Gwyllt WALIA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoPlainText style='border:none;padding:0cm'><font size=2 color=blue
face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>TALIESIN, anno 550.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>[…their language they shall keep; their land
they shall lose, except for Wild Wales]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Long shall the Britons humbled low remain,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>For ages drag the Saxons' galling chain;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>But faithful still their Ancient God adore,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Pure keep their language as in days of tore;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Be robb'd of native lands, from all exil'd,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>But Walia's rough uncultivated wild.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] On
Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:16 AM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] The recent englyn</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Except, Andrew, that all the Celtic nations have a
similar saying:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>IRISH:  Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam (A country
without a language is  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>a country without a soul)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>GAELIC: Tir gun teanga, tir gun anam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>MANX: Gyn chengey, gyn cheer (Without a language,
without a country)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>WELSH: Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon (A nation
without a language  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>is a nation without a heart)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>BRETON: Hep Brezhoneg, Breizh ebet (Without Breton, no
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Brittany</st1:place></st1:State>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>All these languages have been, or still are, threatened
by that of the  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>adjoining majority nation, sometimes forcibly.  It's
not that long ago  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>that Welsh children heard speaking their own language
in school would  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>be publicly humiliated, and the Bretons are still
having big problems  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>with the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Paris</st1:place></st1:City>
government.  Even the threat of extinction would prompt  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>the people into realising that loss of their language
would mean the  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>loss of the most visible symbol of their identity, and
that  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>assimilation will quickly follow.  Once that takes
hold, then the very  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>identity dies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Here, the Cornish have the problem of so many of their
own number  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>believing what they have been told at school, and
still told by the  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>media - that they are English (which is appalling
behaviour).   <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Happily, other Cornish people know different and are
actively  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>countering this fallacy.  The internet has been a
massive boon in that  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>regard, but we encounter Anglocentric editing and
worse in the process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Craig<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>On 26 Gor 2011, at 09:42, A. J. Trim wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> The recent englyn is a curious piece of writing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> I find it difficult to accept the usual
interpretation:- i.e. that  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> you should use the Cornish language else you'll
lose "national"  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> identity - however true that might be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> This was apparently written in Middle Cornish
times, and already it  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> claims to have been an old saying that had always
been true. I don't  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> believe that the people then would have been
saying this about any  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> loss of their language. Who else would they have
known about who had  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> lost their language and had suffered in some way?
- certainly not  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> enough to make this a generalised rule that was
worth committing to  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> memory by way of a rhyming saying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> So, does anyone know what it really meant?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> Andrew J. Trim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> Spellyans mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> Spellyans@kernowek.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>
http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Craig Weatherhill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Cambria><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:11.0pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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