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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Nicholas,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I
am aware that you asked that UCR entries ought <span class=GramE>not</span> be
quoted back at you, and I respect that you would have done things differently
now, but you too, write UCR <<span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>tymber</span></i></span>>,
and I’m assuming out of the same rationale that SWF does. TC (<b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'>T</span></b>raditional <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>C</span></b>ornish) <span
class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>tvmbyr</span></i></span>, <span
class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>tumbyr</span></i></span> is surely a loan
from English <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>timber</span></i>. We know that [ʏ]
> [ɪ] in Cornish and can assume that the above TC spellings are likely
a hypercorrection or back-spelling of <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>u</span></i>> or <<i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>v</span></i>> for unrounded [ɪ]. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>We
simply have to decide what we want to do. Do we want to spell as the scribes
did, warts and all, then we are obliged to use only authentic, attested
spellings (cf. </span></font><u><font color=blue face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Gentium;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>http://kernowek.com/</span></font></u><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>), or do we want to standardise the textual spellings,
then we have to move away from some of the attested spellings to remains
systematic, or do we want to spell more or less phonemically, largely following
the scribal conventions of the 15<sup>th</sup> and 16<sup>th</sup> centuries,
then we have to move away from some of the textual spellings considerably, if
we want to arrive at a more or less acceptable phonology? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Since
the phonology and stage of development of the language is disputed for the
early Middle Cornish period, we also need some leeway to allow for different
preferences within the RC community. It doesn’t help to ‘enshrine’
one or the other linguist’s, be it yours or Ken George’s or others’,
theory in an orthography for Revived Cornish, but to be inclusive of RMC and
RLC users alike, we need an orthography from which several pronunciations can
be derived that can be considered ‘likely’, ‘authentic’,
‘according to evidence’, or at least not ‘contradicting the
evidence’. This is a difficult task, but the nature of sensible and
informed compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Personally,
I would have been happy with an orthography that standardises the textual
spellings (like UCR), or follows the less disputed phonology of a more
progressive, developed Cornish language from a later period (such as KS1), but
alas, this is not what the Cornish users wanted. They came up with a compromise.
A compromise that in the light of its overhasty development, lack of equal
expertise from all sides and the history of the orthography debate, has some
flaws that still need to be worked out, but is in the process of doing so. I’m
sure KS2 can inform this process, but I cannot see it being taken on board by
all involved as it is now. There also has be some room for compromise there.
But maybe we’ll end up like <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
 w:st="on">Norway</st1:country-region></st1:place> … NO! Not the dreadful
bombing and murderous shoot-out (those poor people, may they rest in peace),
but the Nynorsk and Bokmål dichotomy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net
[mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><span
class=GramE><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:
Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nicholas</span></font></span><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 27, 2011
2:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>]
'special'</span></font><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>“</span></font><font
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>It looks, though, as if they hadn't. They don't spell like the texts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The glossary <span
class=SpellE>s.v</span>. timber gives <span class=SpellE>tymber</span>. This is
attested once CW 2283. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The texts also have <span
class=SpellE>tvmbyr</span> OM 2479, <span class=SpellE>tumbyr</span> <st1:place
w:st="on">OM</st1:place> 2484.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The glossary doesn't
mention <span class=SpellE>tumbyr</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 2011 <span class=SpellE>Gor</span>
27, at 12:15, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br style='mso-special-character:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><span
style='orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>The compilers of the SWF
glossary have read and continue to read the texts.<u1:p></u1:p>”</span></font><font
face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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