<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>If diot and dewas are unrelated, why do we have to spell diwes etymologically as though from OC diot?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 2011 Est 6, at 12:58, "Daniel Prohaska" <<a href="mailto:daniel@ryan-prohaska.com">daniel@ryan-prohaska.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">It seems that the <span class="SpellE">w</span>-less form is the regular reflex, cf. MI <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">deoch</span></i></span>, OB <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">diot</span></i></span>, MB <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">diet</span></i>, OC <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">diot</span></i></span>,
<st1:place w:st="on">Gaul</st1:place>. <span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">diota</span></i></span></span>. Since the OC form <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">diot</span></i></span> precedes MC <span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dywes</span></i></span></span>, <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">dewas</span></i></span> I find it unlikely that Cornish would
spontaneously insert /<span class="SpellE">w</span>/ in the hiatus in this word
and nowhere else. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I’ve found a
questionable (no indication of sources) Proto-Celtic to English wordlist online
(<a href="http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/ProtoCelticEnglishWordlist.pdf"><a href="http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/ProtoCelticEnglishWordlist.pdf">http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/ProtoCelticEnglishWordlist.pdf</a></a>),
which gives <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dî</span></i>-<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">âti</span></i></span>- glossed ‘drink’, but also the
heading <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">degu</span></i></span>-(?)
‘<span class="GramE">drink</span>’. Is there a possibility that we
might be dealing with an entirely separate root where <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">dywes</span></i></span>, <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dewas</span></i></span>
is concerned. I haven’t found *(*<span class="GramE">)<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">degu</span></i></span></span>- elsewhere and cannot find a reference to
a word in the other Modern Celtic languages. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Could *<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dî</span></i>-<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">âti</span></i></span>-
be derived from the <span class="SpellE">PCc</span> (Proto-Celtic) prefix *<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dî</span></i></span>- ‘of, from’
and compounded with <span class="SpellE">PCc</span> *<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">âti</span></i></span>- ‘oven, furnace’, i.e. ‘something
burnt, a brand, liquor’, rather than ‘suck’ + nominal
extension? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Cornish <span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dena</span></i></span></span>
(cf. OI <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">denaid</span></i></span>; MW
<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dynu</span></i></span>, <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">denu</span></i></span>; MB <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">denaff</span></i></span>, B <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">denañ</span></i></span>) shows ‘suck’
+ suffix *-<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">na</span></i></span>—<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Perplexing and the
other reference materials are suspiciously quite on the subject and don’t
list this word.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net">spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net</a> [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" color="navy" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE">On Behalf Of <span class="GramE">nicholas</span> williams<br>
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:51 PM<br>
To: <st1:personname w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:personname><br>
Subject: Re: [<span class="SpellE">Spellyans</span>] "Public house"</span></font><font color="navy"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">“If the <span class="SpellE">w</span> in <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dywes</span></i></span>, <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dewas</span></i></span> is to fill hiatus,
one has to ask why <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dioc</span></i></span>
> <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">dyag</span></i></span> has
not undergone the same development.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">On 2011 <span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE">Est</span></span> 4, at 13:52, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">> How is the OC <<span class="SpellE">diot</span>> to be explained? It seems that MC <<span class="SpellE">dewas</span>> cannot be its reflex, but a separate development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3" face="Gentium"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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