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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>Craig, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I hear your criticisms and indeed
there is no justification for writing SWF <<span class=SpellE><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nowyth</span></i></b></span>> with <<span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>th</span></i></b></span></span>>
for voiceless /θ/, but SWF <<span class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>menydh</span></i></b></span>>
with <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>dh</span></i></b>> for voiced //. These
words should either be written <<span class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nowyth</span></i></b></span>,
<span class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>menyth</span></i></b></span>> or <<span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nowydh</span></i></b></span>, <span
class=SpellE><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>menydh</span></i></b></span>> to be
consistent. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Having said that, it is far from
certain and provable that the final consonant in these unstressed syllables was
indeed unvoiced /θ/. <span class=SpellE>Lhuyds</span> spellings show a
voiced consonant in both words:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>menydh</span></font></i></b><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> in Lhuyds
corpus:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>with <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>dh</span></i>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>monadh</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>monedh</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> 3x<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>menydh</span></i> 2x<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>menedh</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> 3x<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>venedh</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>with <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>th</span></i>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>meneth</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>2x <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>moneth <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>other graphs:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>mener</span></font></i><font color=navy><span lang=CY style='color:
navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> 2x <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>menes <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span
lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nowyth</span></font></i></b><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'> in Lhuyds
corpus:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>with <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>dh</span></i></b>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nowydh<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>neụedh<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>neụydh<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>with <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>th</span></i></b>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>noueth <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=3
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>noueth<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Now it has frequently been stated
by many, including Nicholas and Michael, that Lhuyds spellings are owing to
Welsh influence. But I have my reservations about this assumption. It is just
as possible that Lhuyd actually heard [] in the words and transcribed them
with <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>dh</span></i></b>>. He also writes them
with <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>th</span></i></b>> which he read in the
texts that were available to him and may also have heard [</span></font><font
color=navy><span lang=CY style='mso-bidi-font-family:Gentium;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'>θ</span></font><font
color=navy><span lang=CY style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>]. This may mean that words final // may have been voiced in some
environments (e.g. at the end of stressed syllables always, at the end of
unstressed syllables in voiced environement), and unvoiced in others (e.g.
absolute final position in unstressed syllables and in unvoiced environemts). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>One way or the other, Lhuyds
vidence cannot simply be discarded. To me it is just as likely that Cornish had
voiced [</span></font><font color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span lang=CY
style='font-family:"Times New Roman";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;
mso-fareast-language:DE'></span></font><font color=navy><span lang=CY
style='color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:DE'>] in unstressed
position as it is likely that it didnt. In the absence of native traditional
speakers we just dont know, and may never know. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Since it is secure that Cornish at
some point in history had voiced // in these words and those with similar
etymology (derived from British /d/ or /j/ in hiatus), it may be prudent to
spell them with <dh> and, if desired, devoice them in pronunciation by
rule in unstressed syllables.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Furthermore, since we have the
alternating pair <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>ew</span></i></b>> ~
<<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>ow</span></i></b>> (as in <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bewnans</span></i></b>
~ <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bownans</span></i></b>) perhaps nowyth really
belongs into this lexical set, which would give SWF *<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newydh</span></i></b>
~ <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nowydh</span></i></b>. My rationale behind this is
not just attestations (<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newyth</span></i> (PA), <i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>neụedh </span></i>(Lhuyd), <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>neụydh </span></i>(Lhuyd),
<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newith</span></i> (Pryce)), but also derivation
Common Celtic *<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:
italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nowijos</span></i> > British *<i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nowi</span></i>- > Old South-Western British *<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nwɪ</span></i>
> OC *<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newɪ</span></i> > MC <<i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nowyth</span></i>, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newyth</span></i>>.
Schrijver (in Brythonic Celtic, Munich Studies in Historical Linguistics,
2011) poses the idea that in Cornish OSWBr // from i-affected /o/ may have
unfronted before /w/ rather than unrounded giving OSWBr *<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nwɪ</span></i>
> OC *<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nwɪ</span></i> > MC nowɪ. But that
would leave MC <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>newyth</span></i>>
unaccounted for, unless there was dialectal variation, which is always a
possibility. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>A further indication that nowyth may have been part of the <b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bewnans</span></i></b> ~ <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>bownans</span></i></b>
lexical set is that original <b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>ow</span></i></b> + vowel
became [ˈuː.ə] in LC as we find in MC <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>lowen</span></i>>
> LC <<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>looan</span></i>, <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>lan</span></i>>.
But we do not find LC **<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nooath</span></i> or **<i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nadh</span></i>. This means that KS would probably have to spell <i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>nwyth</span></i> ~ <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>nwyth</span></i>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>Thanks for bearing with me, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>Dan<i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=CY
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:CY;mso-fareast-language:
DE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
DE'>On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill<br>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:54 AM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>] <span class=SpellE>gawas</span>
'to get'</span></font><font color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>With regard to final -<span
class=GramE>dh</span>, it was my understanding the SWF was devised with an aim
of being unambiguous to learners.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>There
are several places where it fails to achieve this, one being the inconsistent
use of -<span class=GramE>dh</span> and -<span class=SpellE>th</span>.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>For example, it has <span class=SpellE>nowyth</span>,
but also <span class=SpellE>menydh</span>.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Surely, in these <span class=SpellE>bisyllables</span> where the final
is unstressed these should both be shown as unvoiced -<span class=SpellE><span
class=GramE>th</span></span>, only going to -dh when a further syllable is added,
e.g. <span class=SpellE>menydhek</span>, 'hilly'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>In monosyllabic words, where
obviously stressed, we have <span class=SpellE>fordh</span>, but also <span
class=SpellE>porth</span>.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Some claim
that voicing is indicated by the traditional dropping of the final, as in for'
(<span class=SpellE>for'eglos</span>, '<span class=SpellE>churchway</span>'),
but this isn't so, either.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span
class=SpellE>Porth</span> is always spelt with unvoiced -<span class=SpellE>th</span>
(although there are early spellings with <span class=SpellE>pord</span>), and
yet there are numerous instances of <span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>por</span></span><span
class=GramE>'<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(</span>Par, <span
class=SpellE>Por'loe</span>, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>To someone like me, the use of
-<span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>th</span></span> and -dh in SWF appears
to be more a matter of whimsy than of thought.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>This needs to be addressed in 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Craig<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>On 8 <span class=SpellE>Gwn</span>
2011, at 07:10, Daniel Prohaska wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>mso-paper-source:</span>0;}
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Ray a <span class=SpellE>scrifas</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> I have never liked final
'dh' and that is where the crux of the<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>matter</span>
lies. Clearly scholars cannot agree where final 'dh' should<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> be applied and no doubt
there is also disagreement about where final<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> 'f' should be sounded as
'v'.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>In view of this I prefer to stick
to<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> the more
authentic historical spellings.</span></font></span><span lang=EN-GB
style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Actually the scholars
pretty much agree that the final dh and v<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> were voiced word-finally
in stressed syllables. There is some<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>dispute</span>
over whether they were also voiced word-finally in<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>unstressed</span>
syllables.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Writing <f> or
<ff> word finally rather than <v> or <u> word-finally<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> had to do with the
scribal practices of the time, rather than with<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>accurate</span>
phonological representation. There were restrictions about<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>what</span>
<u, v> could mean in this position, and it was usually /u/ or / <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> w/, but not
/v/.</span></font></span><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Perhaps Cornish
originally had a similar system to Modern Breton,<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>where</span>
voiced consonants <span class=SpellE>unvoice</span> in absolute final position
and in<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>unvoiced</span>
environments, while they remain voiced before a following<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>word</span>
beginning with a vowel and in voiced environments. This amount<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>of</span>
phonological detail is difficult to retrieve so it will always<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> remain a theory. This
system, if it existed at all, broke down by<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>the</span>
Late Cornish period where final consonants (at least in stressed<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> syllables) appear to have
become voiced and remained so even in<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> <span class=GramE>absolute</span>
final position.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Ray, what you dont like
is the look of final <<span class=GramE>dh</span>> and <v>, and
I<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> understand that. One can
get very used to a certain look of a<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=3 face=Gentium><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> spelling
system and feel estranged when that changes.</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-GB style='mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>> Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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