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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Yes,
I fully agree with this assessment. I shall recommend <<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold;
mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>puns</span></i></b>>
for the 2013 adjustments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net
[mailto:spellyans-bounces@kernowek.net] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><span
class=GramE><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:
Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>nicholas</span></font></span><font
color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Gentium;mso-bidi-font-family:
Tahoma;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 12, 2011
10:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Standard
 Cornish discussion list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [<span class=SpellE>Spellyans</span>]
'pound' in Cornish</span></font><font color=navy face=Gentium><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Gentium;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>The Cornish word for ‘pound’
(money and weight) is <i><span style='font-style:italic'>puns</span></i>; cf.
Welsh <i><span style='font-style:italic'>punt</span></i>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;
font-style:italic'>Puns</span></font></i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>
is</span></font></span><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> attested 5
times, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>buns</span></i> once, <span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pvns</span></i></span> once;
the plural <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>punsov</span></i></span>
occurs once; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>In Later Cornish <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>u</span></i> <span class=SpellE>unrounds</span> to [<span
class=SpellE>i</span>] <y> and we find <span class=SpellE><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>bynsow</span></i></span> ‘pounds’ at CW 740.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>In Late Cornish one finds <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>pens</span></i> x 2, <span class=SpellE><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>penz</span></i></span> x 11.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>George, however, thought
that MC [u] meant <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>eu</span></i></span>
and that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>LC <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>e</span></i> in pens was a result of <span
class=SpellE>unrounding</span>. <span class=GramE>KK and in consequence the SWF
write *<span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>peuns</span></i></span>,
*<span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>peunsow</span></i></span>.</span>
 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>These forms do not account
for CW <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>bynsow</span></i></span>,
nor do they agree with the Welsh form <i><span style='font-style:italic'>punt</span></i>.
There is no Breton equivalent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>They have the further
disadvantage in that English speakers pronounce them with a long vowel, when
the vowel is short.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>We have <span class=SpellE><span
class=GramE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pyns</span></i></span></span><span
class=GramE>(</span><span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>ow</span></i></span>)
in CW and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>pens</span></i>, <span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>penz</span></i></span> in
further later texts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>We seem therefore to have an
alternation <span class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pyns</span></i></span>
~ <i><span style='font-style:italic'>pens</span></i>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>It is not uncommon in
Cornish at all periods for [<span class=SpellE>i</span>] to alternate with [e]
before [ns]. Here are some random examples.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>kyns</span></font></i></b></span></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> PA 51a ~ <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>kens</span></i></b> PA 254b ‘before’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1 face=Georgia><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>prince</span></font></i></b></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> BM 3899 ~ <span class=SpellE><b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>prence</span></i></b></span> BM 516
‘prince’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>myns</span></font></i></b></span></span><i><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-style:italic'> a <span class=SpellE>vynny</span></span></font></i><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> BM 2576 ~ <span class=SpellE><b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>mens</span></i></b></span><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> a <span class=SpellE>vynny</span></span></i> PC 590
‘as much as you want’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>dyns</span></font></i></b></span></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> BK 493 ~ <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>dens</span></i></b> SA 60 ‘teeth’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>syns</span></font></i></b></span></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> PC 1773 ~ <span class=SpellE><b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>sens</span></i></b></span> BM 4308
‘holds’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><b><i><font size=1
face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>yns</span></font></i></b></span></span><font
size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> BK 279 ~ <span class=SpellE><b><i><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>ens</span></i></b></span>  TH
16a [not imperfect!] '<span class=GramE>they</span> are'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I assume that <span
class=GramE>MC <i><span style='font-style:italic'>puns</span></i> was</span> [<span
class=SpellE>pyns</span>]. When the u <span class=SpellE>unrounded</span>, <span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>pyns</span></i></span> [pins]
alternated with <i><span style='font-style:italic'>pens</span></i> and the
Later spelling <pens> was the result.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Georgia;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>George’s *<span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>peuns</span></i></span>, *<span
class=SpellE><i><span style='font-style:italic'>peunsow</span></i></span>, is,
I believe, without basis.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Georgia><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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