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                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">From: Daniel Prohaska</span></span></p> 
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                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sent: 05/15/12 02:15 PM</span></span></p> 
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                        Thanks, Craif, very helpful, keep 'em coming!!!</div> 
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                        This indeed points towards a front rounded vowel for earlier Middle Cornish. Of course the tendency would be to unround at a comparatively early date as the word occurs in the unstressed second element. The lexeme would have retained the rounding longer, yet the earliest textual attestation is from 1611, in CW ‹<i>cleath</i>›. </div> 
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                                On May 15, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Craig Weatherhill wrote:</div> 
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                                        CARGLOTH:  Carglodan 1375;  Cargluthan 1432;  Carglothe 1590;  Carglith 1748.  ker + cledh (dim. form). 
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                                                BOLSTER BANK: Cleuth 1602;  Cleath, Clay 1733;  Kleth 1740;  Cleath, Kleth 1778.</div> 
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                                                PIT'S MINGLE:  (no available historic forms)</div> 
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                                                Maengluthion 1320 (Roche - lost place-name)</div> 
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                                                Pengluthio 1575 (Ladock - lost place-name.  Questionable if this is a pl. form of *mengleth)</div> 
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                                                MONGLEATH:  Mungluth 1308, 1350, 1530;  Mongluthe 1313;  Mungleath, Mungloeth 1316;  Moungleth 1460;  Monglyth 1480;  Monglegh 1499;  Munglyth 1523;  Mongler 1590;  Mungleth 1623;  Monglar 1766;  Munglar 1804.</div> 
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                                                TRUNGLE:  Trevonglet 1283;  Trevongluth 1302;  Trevengloth 1313;  Trevingluth 1317;  Trevungleith 1322;  Trewonglyth 1395;  Trewoyngluth 1428;  Trevonglyth 1429, 1668;  Trevounglethe 1561;  Trevongleth, Treungle 1600, 1668;  Treungle 1634 (+ tre-)</div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><span style="font-size: 10pt">cleath</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt"> (CW), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">klêdh</i> (Lh), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">cledh</i> (Pr); (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">pl</i>.)</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><span style="font-size: 10pt"> kledhioụ </span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt">(Lh), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">cledhiou</i></span><span style="font-size: 10pt"> (Pr);</span> </span></span></div> 
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