<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Thanks, Craif, very helpful, keep 'em coming!!!</div><div>This indeed points towards a front rounded vowel for earlier Middle Cornish. Of course the tendency would be to unround at a comparatively early date as the word occurs in the unstressed second element. The lexeme would have retained the rounding longer, yet the earliest textual attestation is from 1611, in CW ‹<i>cleath</i>›. </div><div>Dan </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On May 15, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Craig Weatherhill wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">CARGLOTH: Carglodan 1375; Cargluthan 1432; Carglothe 1590; Carglith 1748. ker + cledh (dim. form).<div><br></div><div>BOLSTER BANK: Cleuth 1602; Cleath, Clay 1733; Kleth 1740; Cleath, Kleth 1778.</div><div><br></div><div>(MENGLETH, "quarry")</div><div>PIT'S MINGLE: (no available historic forms)</div><div>Maengluthion 1320 (Roche - lost place-name)</div><div>Pengluthio 1575 (Ladock - lost place-name. Questionable if this is a pl. form of *mengleth)</div><div><br></div><div>(MONGLETH, "open-cast mine")</div><div>MONGLEATH: Mungluth 1308, 1350, 1530; Mongluthe 1313; Mungleath, Mungloeth 1316; Moungleth 1460; Monglyth 1480; Monglegh 1499; Munglyth 1523; Mongler 1590; Mungleth 1623; Monglar 1766; Munglar 1804.</div><div>TRUNGLE: Trevonglet 1283; Trevongluth 1302; Trevengloth 1313; Trevingluth 1317; Trevungleith 1322; Trewonglyth 1395; Trewoyngluth 1428; Trevonglyth 1429, 1668; Trevounglethe 1561; Trevongleth, Treungle 1600, 1668; Treungle 1634 (+ tre-)</div><div>(NB. Late dropping of -th in both names)</div><div><br></div><div>Craig</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 15 Me 2012, at 11:22, Jon Mills wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">How can one be sure that the element <em>-gloth</em> in <em>Cargloth</em> is the lexeme CLEDH?<br> Jon<br> <br><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;"> </p> <blockquote style="border-left: #ccc 1px solid; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px; padding-left: 5px" type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "> Dan writes,</div> <div> <div> <div> Here are the attestations:</div> <div> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><span style="font-size: 10pt">cleath</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt"> (CW), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">klêdh</i> (Lh), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">cledh</i> (Pr); (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">pl</i>.)</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><span style="font-size: 10pt"> kledhioụ </span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt">(Lh), <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">cledhiou</i></span><span style="font-size: 10pt"> (Pr);</span></div> <div> </div> <div> <span style="font-size: 10pt">While there is no *<i>cluth</i>, *<i>cloth</i>, *<i>clueth</i> or *<i>clevth</i> which would point towards a front rounded vowel, the attestations clearly go back to the full grade </span>*/klœð/ root (B <i>kleuz</i>, W <i>clawdd</i>) as there is no reason for a i-mutated /klað/. </div> <div> </div> <div> <span style="font-size: 10pt">There is also the place name <i>Cargloth</i> where the second element does show a rounded vowel. Since all the textual attestations here are rather late it is not surprising that they would show */œ/ in its unrounded reflex. But since there's also the place name and I should agree with Craig that (critically examined) place names are highly relevant to the reconstruction of Cornish forms, we do have grounds to reconstruct </span>*/klœð/, hence SWFt ‹<b>cleudh</b>›. I should say ‹<b>cleudh</b>› is correct. </div> <div> </div> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> <br> <br> <span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px">_____________________________________ <br> Dr. Jon Mills, <br> University of Kent</span></span></span></span> _______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>