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Of course it is important to get the language and its orthography right before one sets about teaching it. However it is preposterous to suggest that the main difficulty with learning Cornish is that learners cannot cope with <c> written before back vowels and <k> written before front vowels. The main obstacle to learning a language is lack of good teaching methodology.<br /> 
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Jon<br /> 
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                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">From: e-mail kevin.blackburn1</span></span></p> 
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                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">To: Standard Cornish discussion list</span></span></p> 
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                        Getting the teaching approach right is important, and different methods will suit different ages and types of people. However, this is a separate issue to getting the language right in the first place - that language has to stand up whether it is being taught to youngsters in a Communicative Method approach, a chat in the pub, or is being used by someone who has moved on from that and wants to write a crime novel in Cornish - it needs to be complete, self-consistent, able to represent anything that needs to be written or spoken about, have a future, but also be able to reference the past. It would be no good having a Cornish where if a sentence from 40 years ago were dropped in as a quote the current learners couldn't make head nor tail of it.</p> 
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                        On 16 November 2012 12:39, Jon Mills <span><<a href="mailto:j.mills@email.com" target="_blank">j.mills@email.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /> 
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                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">Of course the language teaching method has everything to do with the success or failure of Cornish classes in schools. The Communicative Method has been around for decades now and more or less does what Nicky is suggesting.<br /> 
                                Ol an gwella,<br /> 
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                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">From: Nicky Rowe</span></span></span></span></p> 
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                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sent: 11/16/12 12:24 PM</span></span></span></span></p> 
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                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">To: Standard Cornish discussion list</span></span></span></span></p> 
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                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">Is the terrible way Irish is taught in schools really worth writing off the whole idea of school education for Cornish? There are plenty of ways to teach. If I was a teacher I'd make Cornish more of a club than a class, focus on conversation and activities rather than rote learning and tests, but speak to them only in Cornish. 60 minutes of fun immersion using Cornish is surely better than 60 minutes of learning about Cornish in English.</span></span></p> 
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                                                                        <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">On 16 November 2012 11:43, Nicholas Williams <span><<a href="mailto:njawilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank">njawilliams@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</span></span></div> 
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                                                                                        <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">I taught Irish in university for 30 years. The teaching of Irish in schools is so faulty, that in some ways it has done more harm than good.</font> </span></span> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">90 years after independence Irish is hardly spoken at all. There is no daily newspaper, no weekly magazine.</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px">And people are even proud to declare that they know no Irish.</span> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">Many public notices in Irish are incorrectly spelt or meaningless but that doesn't matter because people don't see them.</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">They have been turned off Irish by having it badly taught to them in school.</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">The only people who speak Irish are those who learnt it from their parents.</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">Mura bhfuil sí ón gcliabhán agat, níl sí agat ar chor ar bith 'If you haven't it [Irish] from the cradle, you haven't it at all].</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 13px">Schools in this matter are useless.</font> </span></span></div> 
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                                                                                                                        <span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="font-size: 12px">On 16 Nov 2012, at 11:13, Michael Everson wrote:</span></span></div> 
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