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    <p> <font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font
          style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">I
          hesitate to venture in in where there are far more
          knowledgable folk
          than I, but nonetheless I hazard these thoughts:</font></font></p>
    <p><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size:
          12pt" size="3">In
          Late Cornish:</font></font></p>
    <p><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size:
          12pt" size="3">1)
          the voiced 's' in 'esof' (etc.) was rhotacized.</font></font></p>
    <p><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size:
          12pt" size="3">2)
          the weak fricative ('gh') adjacent to 'r' tended to be
          expressed as
          'th' ('marth' for 'margh' etc.)</font></font></p>
    <p><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size:
          12pt" size="3">I
          would argue that these progressions were highly unlikely were
          the 'r'
          being pronounced as the West English </font></font><font
        face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"
          size="3">alveolar
        </font></font><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font
          style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">approximant
          [ɹ], in which the articulation pulls away from the teeth, than
          as a
          dental tap </font></font><font face="Liberation Sans,
        sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">[</font></font><span
        style="font-variant: normal"><font color="#000000"><span
            style="text-decoration: none"><font face="Liberation Sans,
              sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3"><span
                  style="letter-spacing: normal"><span
                    style="font-style: normal"><span style="font-weight:
                      normal"><span style="background: #ffffff">ɾ</span></span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span><span
        style="font-variant: normal"><font color="#000000"><span
            style="text-decoration: none"><font face="Liberation Sans,
              sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3"><span
                  style="letter-spacing: normal"><span
                    style="font-style: normal"><span style="font-weight:
                      normal"><span style="background: #ffffff">]
                        which is adjacent to both [z] and [θ].</span></span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></p>
    <p><font face="Liberation Sans, sans-serif"><font style="font-size:
          12pt" size="3"><span style="font-variant: normal"><font
              color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration: none"><span
                  style="letter-spacing: normal"><span
                    style="font-style: normal"><span style="font-weight:
                      normal"><span style="background: #ffffff">To
                        my ears it is the use among learners and
                        speakers of the West Country
                        English [ɹ] which makes so much spoken Cornish
                        sound less than
                        convincing. I think, too, that had Lhuyd heard
                        this sound he would
                        have mentioned it. In alluding to an occasional
                        aspirated
                        articulation, he is surely likening it more to
                        the Welsh predental than to
                        an English approximant.</span></span></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></p>
    <p>Tony Hearn<br>
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    <p>On 27/03/17 12:38, Harry Hawkey wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Here's some comments from Jackson,
        'Language and History in Early Britain', pg 477-478: (slightly
        edited, may contain OCR errors...)<br>
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        <blockquote>In Cornish...no distinctions in l and r were
          recognised in the orthography...there is some trace of a
          voiceless initial r- [...] as has been pointed out by Forster
          [...] where he quotes 
          <i>Hret Winiau</i> "the Ford of Winiau" ... in an
          AS[Anglo-Saxon] document of 969, and
          <i>Hryd</i> in one of 960   and <i>Hryt</i> in another of
          967, both in Cornwall.<br>
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        And here's what Lhuyd has to say (AB, pg 229)<br>
        <br>
        <blockquote>The Cornish very rarely asperate their Initial r,
          saying <i>Risk ha reden rydh</i> [Bark and red Fern]  and not
          as in Welsh
          <i>Rhîsk a rhedyn rhydh</i>; but they had this aspiration I
          suppose formerly, for I have frequently observ'd them to say
          Rhag [ For] as well as Rag.
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        Also, there are various examples of internal 'rh' spellings in
        the texts which also seem to indicate devoicing.<br>
        <br>
        So, possibly a voiceless r sound  [r̥] (as in Welsh) existed as
        an allophone of the 'normal' voiced r [ɹ] in Cornish.<br>
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        Perhaps an actual linguist will reply later and give a better
        analysis...<br>
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        On 27/03/17 09:06, G ROBERTS wrote:<br>
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        How would 'r' have been pronounced in traditional spoken
        Cornish?
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        <div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1490601636329">Are there any
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        <div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1490601653837">Meur ras,</div>
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