<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:標楷體, dfkai-sb;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv8100709200"><table id="yiv8100709200bodyDrftID" class="yiv8100709200 yahoo-compose-table-card img-overlay-selected" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100201"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100200"><td id="yiv8100709200drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif"></font><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="4">Nicholas wrote:</font><br><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100226"><br>
<div id="yiv8100709200"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100305" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100304">>If you listen to the recent editions of <span>Nowodhow</span> an Seythen on the Kernewegva website you will hear the following:</span></font> 
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100308"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><br></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100310"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>lies *tus</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100312"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">nebes *lyver.</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100481"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100300"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100299" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100298">These are clearly mistakes, because <em>lies</em> + singular and nebes + plural are attested several times; but the other examples are less clear cut.</span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100483"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font> </div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></blockquote>
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<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>You will also hear </span></font></span></font></div>
<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">ev a drig 'he lives' for the correct yma va trigys</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100314"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">(subject) + <em>a drig </em>is attested several times (usually with the meaning</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100238"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">'remain' rather than 'dwell'), so this does not bother me. </span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100240"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100475"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100486"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>tus [neb] a vydn desky Kernowek 'people who want to learn Cornish' for the correct tus a garsa desky Kernowek</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100474"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100246"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100245" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100244"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100243" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">This implies that the first sentence is incorrect;  in what way?</span></font></span></font></div>
<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"> </span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100328"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>in kever 'about' for ow tùchya or adro dhe.</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100251"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font face="Garamond">Because this phrase is not attested does not make it wrong.</font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100295"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100324" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100323"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100322" face="Garamond">It is a logical extension, avoids the obvious English origin of <em>ow tuchya </em>and the semantic ambiguity of <em>a-dro dhe.</em></font><br></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100316"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>These are all Nancean in origin.</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100318"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><br></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100254"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">>You will also hear </span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100320"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">an huny-ma 'this one' for the correct hebma, hemma.</span></font></span></font></div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></blockquote>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100257">
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100469"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100468" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100467"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100466" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100465">>This last solecism was absent from the first (UC) edition of Brown's Cornish Grammar.</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100256"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">and, so far as I can tell, this specific expression is absent from his second and third editions.</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100340"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100261"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100260" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100332"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100331" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100453">>It appears for the first time in the second KK edition at §71 1 where Brown recommends such expressions</span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100293"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">as gwell yw genev an huni rudh 'I prefer the red one'. </span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100457"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100456" face="Baskerville" size="6"><span style="FONT-SIZE:20px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">This is without warrant in traditional Cornish. Ray Edwards thought such usage 'reasonable' (Notennow Kernewek s.v.). </span></font></span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100291"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100270"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100265"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="garamond, new york, times, serif" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span">I agree with Ray Edwards.  </span></font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100283"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span"></span></font> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100277"><font class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100280" face="Baskerville" size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE:18px;" class="yiv8100709200Apple-style-span" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100279">>If you want to speak a conlang it is. Otherwise you use onen.</span></font></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100267"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font size="4">Why?</font>  <font size="4"><em>Onen</em> is not attested in phrases like 'the red one'.</font></font></div>
<div><font face="Garamond" size="4">To use <em>onen</em> is to set up a calque on English.</font></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100286"><font face="Garamond" size="4">Brown obviously prefers to copy Breton practice.</font></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508696994392_100458"><font face="Garamond" size="4">Tom</font></div>
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