[Spellyans] KK ha'n SWF - pronunciation

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Sat Aug 9 16:51:14 BST 2008

There is some force in Eddie's point, but surely we should benefit
more from Nicholas' and Michael's systematic exposition of the true
native sounds of Dick's authentic native Cornish.


On 8/9/08, Eddie Climo <eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2008, at 13:42, Penny Squire wrote:
>> . . . [KK users] are at least attempting a less Anglified
>> pronunciation than the UC users achieve . . .
> What a silly stereotyping. You clearly haven't listened to very many
> UC speakers. Anyway, your argument is a priori implausible:
> (1) some UC speakers are born and brought up in Cornwall, and they
> speak English with a native Cornish accent.
> (2) unsurprisingly, they speak Cornish with much the same accent, but
> with adjustments to some phonemes to conform to the rules of UC/R
> pronunciation.
> (3) no way is their Cornish going to be 'Anglified'. Do you imagine
> they're going to put on a 'posh' English accent just when they're
> speaking Cornish?
> I was interested to hear you characterise Rod Lyon's spoken Cornish
> as pronounced like "modern day English with a Cornish accent." To my
> ear, Rod's Cornish sounds as natural and authentic as Dick Gendall's,
> but evidently you perceive it differently. It would be 'really
> helpful' if you were to list in standard phonetic notation all the
> phonemes that you perceive Rod to have mispronounced in a 'modern day
> English' manner, with your corrected 'less Anglified' KK version
> listed alongside.
>> It would really be helpful to the discussions on Spellyans if
>> yourself and Michael were to record some Middle Cornish for us so
>> that we can hear what you believe it should sound like.
> Why not set the ball rolling yourself? Equally, "it would be really
> helpful to the discussion on Spellyans" if you were to give us the
> benefit of your discriminating ear with some recordings of you:
> (1) reading some text with the 'Anglified pronunciation' that
> allegedly typifies 'the UC users', and
> (2) reading the same text with all the subtle refinements that you
> claim are achieved by KK users (at least, those who've managed to
> throw off the corrupting influence of UC).
> In addition, it would be even more helpful (and not in the least
> 'arcane', as you so quaintly put it) if you transcribed each of these
> readings into one of the standard phonetic notations, so that we
> could see objectively exactly what you claim to perceive subjectively
> by ear. You could choose either 'IPA squiggles' or X-SAMPA, as you
> prefer.
> yn lel,
> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
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