[Spellyans] <y Y> + diacritical
A. J. Trim
ajtrim at msn.com
Thu Jun 26 10:18:47 BST 2008
Most of the problems that I have seen regarding diacritical marks have been
caused during e-mail. Please see my PDF file that I posted yesterday. It
shows e-mail failure for e and y with the dieresis.
Andrew J. Trim
From: <stinney at sas.upenn.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:24 AM
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>; "Michael
Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
Cc: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <y Y> + diacritical
> Quoting Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>:
>> At 21:12 +0300 2008-06-25, Owen Cook wrote:
>> >To argue that y-acute is out of the question
>> >because the minority of Mac users who are
>> >technologically inept will find it awkward,
>> >seems rather a bizarre constraint.
>> That is NOT what I said. I said NOTHING about
>> "technological ineptness". I said that there are
>> TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FONTS OUT THERE that people
>> are using TODAY that don't have this letter, and
>> we will never, ever fix them. That has nothing to
>> do with their ineptness. It is not "awkward". It
>> is a recipe for failure.
>> I think I am right to insist that we be fair to
>> Mac users of Cornish no less than Windows users
>> of Cornish.
> I am not sure that the situation is as bad as you say, Michael. I would
> not to use diacritics, but if they are really necessary then the choices
> be clear and it seems from the discussion that y-acute should be a valid
> contender for consideration. The situation with y-acute is as follows (I
> you know all this Michael, so bear with me).
> Y/y-acute are in ISO-8859-1 ("latin-1") at 0xdd and 0xfd, and the same in
> They are in Windows CP-1252, ISO Western 2 and ISO-Adobe at the same
> These characters are *not* in the codepage Mac Roman. So, it is true that
> which *only* support Mac Roman do not provide y-acute.
> But how serious is this? Are there really "TENS OF THOUSANDS" of fonts
> support only Mac Roman? And what is the relative frequency of use of
> fonts compared to, say, the common web fonts or the common PDF fonts?
> On my Mac running Tiger the character palette tells me there are 182 fonts
> contain y-acute. Perhaps 24 of them are fonts I have installed myself.
> So, any user of a reasonably recent Mac has about 150 system fonts which
> y-acute. In addition, any 3rd party font which supports any of the code
> listed above also includes y-acute.
> Perhaps the occasional person will occasionally experience the situation
> that a
> favourite font does not provide y-acute, but my expectation, at least,
> would be
> that this would be extremely uncommon and should not be a deal-breaker in
> choice between y-diaresis and y-acute.
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