[Spellyans] kist, Crist

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Sun Jun 29 18:18:22 BST 2008

On 29 Jun 2008, at 16:55, Terry Corbett wrote:

> Here is a list of word in KK spelling that purport to have a long  
> [ I ]. How should these be spelled:
I give here how I would spell them in KS (emended SWF Trad.) I should  
welcome comments and corrections

> brygh,   freckled, speckled (adj.) and the noun 'freckles, pock- 
> marks' bys/bes word: brëgh
> brys,   mind (n.m.): bys/bes word: brës
[bydh be, will be] bys/bes word: bëdh
> bydh,   ever (adv.) this has a voiceless final; bys/bes word: bëth
> bynk,   bench (n.f.) short vowel before consonant cluster
> bys,   finger (n.m. anat.) bys/bes word: bës
> bys,   until (prep)  short vowel because it's in low sentences stress
> bys,   world (n.m.) the bys/bes world par excellence: bës/bÿs
> dhyn,   to us (prep. pron.) short vowel [DIn]
> dydh,   day (n.m.): bys/bes word: dëdh
> fydh,   faith (n.f.) bys/bes word: fëdh
> fysk,   haste (n.m.) I pronounce this and the next with a short  
> vowel: fysk
> fysk,   hasty (adj.) see above
> glyb,   wet (adj.): bys/bes word: glëb
> gwlygh,   moist (adj.); not attested in Cornish. I don't use it.
> gwrys,   crystal (n.m.) bys/bes word < *uritum < uitrum; gwrÿs/gwrës
> gwrys,   done (adj.) bys/bes word: gwrës
> gwydh,   trees (n. coll.): bys/bes word: gwëdh
> gwyg,   bindweed (n. coll.) attested in Cornish only as dialect  
> weggas. Cf. W gwyg. bys/bes? gwëg
> gwyr,   green (adj.) I write gwer. This is attested in OC as guirt  
> and in Lhuyd as hwer. It is from viridis and is not really a bys/bes  
> word.
> gwyth,   vein (adj.) [vein is a noun, not an adj.] this is attested  
> in OC as guit and in OM as woth in the expression lyfwoth I write  
> gooth
> gyth,   complaint (n.m.) this is probably a ghost-word at RD 852
> gyw,   spear, lance (n.m.): guw is the agreed spelling
> hwys,   sweat, perspiration (n.m.): bys/bes word: I write whës but  
> whys is attested: I wysce ath face te a tehbbyr the vara TH 6
> hy,   her, its (pron.): I think this should be hy; SWF has hi, hei.
> hyg,   swindle (n.f.) this is unattested; it may be the same word as  
> Lhuyd's hig 'hook'; in which case hig.
> hys,   length (n.m.) bys/bes word: hës
> jy,   thee (pron.); jy
> klys,   cozy, sheltered (adj.) bys/bes word: clës [though the word  
> is unattested and has been taken from W and B]
> klyw,   sense of hearing (n.m.) please! This form is wholly  
> unattested. The word is either clew or clow.
> krygh,   wrinkle (n. m.) this word is unattested: in W it is from  
> Latin crispus, and thus has an original short i. It is thus a bys/ 
> bes word. I should write crÿgh/crëgh, preferring the former.
> krys,   shaking (n.m.) this word is unattested
> krys,   shirt (n.m.) OCV kreis; bys/bes word: crës/crÿs
> kyf,   stump (n.m.) borrowed from W and B. unattested. < Lat cippus.  
> bys/bes: këf/kÿf
> kyn,   though (conj.): low sentence stress: kyn
> kyst,   box (n.f.) kyst
> lys,   hall, court (n.f.) this word is unattested outside toponyms;  
> bys/bes word: lës
> lyw,   rudder (n.m.): lyw
> my,   i, me (pron.): Dan's dictionary has my and me
> ny,   not (ptl.); low sentence stress: ny
> plyw,   parish (n.f.): pluw
> prys,   time (n.m.) bys/bes word: prës (cf. kefrës)
> prysk,   bushes (n. coll.) I pronounce this short: prysk
> pryv,   worm (n.m.); bys/bes word: prëv/prÿv.
> py,   what (pron.) low sentence stress: py
> py,   which (pron.) low sentence stress: py
> pych,   stab (n.m.) this is related to pechya 'stab'; I think it has  
> a short vowel . I write pych.
> pyg,   tar (n.m.) this is peyk in CW. I think it has a long vowel  
> and I write pêk in KS
> pysk,   fish (n.m.) pysk or pesk
> pyth,   thing (n.m.) bys/bes word: pëth
> pyth,   what (pron.) (same word as above) pëth
> ryb,   close to (prep.) low sentence stress ryb (but reb allowed in  
> rydh,   free, open (adj.) word unattested in Cornish outside colm re  
> 'running knot'; rëdh/rÿdh
> rys,   ford (n.f.) bys/bes word rës
> spys,   shortly (adv.) used only in a verr spys 'shortly'. The word  
> is from Latin spatium. In which case one would expect *spes; cf. I  
> would write spys.
> styl,   rafter (n.m.) Nance has a double ll here. It is related to  
> estyllen 'plank' and the vowel is definitely short: styll
> styr,   meaning (n.m.) < Latin (hi)storia. In view of the verb  
> styrya 'to signify' which has a short vowel, I write styr. Before he  
> knew TH Nance wrote ster.
> syg,   bond (n.f.)  known only from the dialect word siggen. I think  
> the word has a short vowel. I should write <syg>
> sygh,   dry (adj.) bys/bes word: sëgh/sÿgh
> syr,   sir (n.m.) I think this has a short vowel: syr
> tryg,   low tide (n.m.) I think the vowel is short: tryg
> trygh,   superior (adj.)
> ty,   thou (pron.) ty
> vy,   me (pron. obj.) vy
> y,   his, its (pron.): low sentence stress: y
> yn,   in, at (prep.) <in> in KS
> yr,   fresh (adj.) bys/bes word: ër
> ys,   corn (n. coll.) bys/bes word: ÿs/ës
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com 
> > wrote:
> You're right. I've changed <kist> to <kyst>.
> Dan
> From: nicholas williams
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:00 AM
> Dan's dictionary gives kist 'box, chest' and gives the pronunciation  
> [kIst] i.e. a short i spelt <i>. On the other hand Dan's dictionary  
> gives Krist, Crist 'Christ' and gives the pronunciation [kri:st].  
> Other words with <ist> and a long vowel are trist 'sad' and jist
> 'joist'. Should kist not be kyst?
> Nicholas
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