[Spellyans] ‘Pound’ in Cornish

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Tue Jan 6 13:32:06 GMT 2009

Harking back to a previous enquiry, has no one any idea of the  
derivation of the place-name element 'musyn' which appears to be a  
stream name?


On 6 Gen 2009, at 12:46, nicholas williams wrote:

> The word for ‘pound’ is well attested:
> myl pvns thotho a our da PC 212
> cans puns ha henna yv mur PC 3144
> Tan at omma thys x puns BM 1464
> kyn teseryas punsov cans BM 2579
> prest gueles es x puns tyr BM 2592
> iiij cans puns gyllyth speyna BM 2820
> py lues puns a yl bos anethy grueys BM 2829-30
> Awos myl buns ny vynsen the welas, ru’n oferen! BK 1211-12
> moy eas myllyow a bynsow CW 740
> Ena chei a varginiaz rag trei penz an vlethan Gubber JCH §4 NBoson
> e vaster thesguethaz dotha an trei penz JCH § 5 NBoson
> e vaster a droaz an trei penz JCH § 7 NBoson
> e vaster droaz an trei penz JCH § 9 NBoson
> Ha an chei woraz an naw penz en Dezan JCH § 12 NBoson
> rag trei penz an vledhan guber JCH § 4 Lhuyd
> e vêster a dhisguedhaz dhodho an trei penz JCH § 5 Lhuyd
> e vêster a dhrôz an dri penz JCH § 7 Lhuyd
> e uaster dhrôz an trei penz JCH § 9 Lhuyd
> Ha an dzhei a uyraz an naw penz en dezan JCH § 12 Lhuyd
> ha thera nâu penz en dezan JCH §46 Lhuyd
> PENZ Pryce.
> Ry tha stêner deck pens en blethan Pryce.
> The word is spelt either with <u> or <e> or with <y> in the plural  
> form <pynsow>. Never in traditional Cornish is it spelt *<peuns> as  
> in the SWF. And there is a further problem.
> Since English speakers have difficulty with [oe] when short, they  
> tend to pronounce <peuns> with a long vowel, yet the vowel is  
> undeniably short and [poe:nz] sounds very wrong.
> Jenner wrote <pens>. Nance wrote <puns>, plural <punsow> and  
> pronounced them [pinz], [pinzow].
> In view of the plural form <bynsow> in CW, it seems quite possible  
> that this word had two
> pronunciations [pinz] and [penz].
> In order to avoid *[poe:nz] we shoud write <pens> in KS, with either  
> <pensow> or <pynsow> in the plural.
> Nicholas
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Craig Weatherhill

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